Which is bigger, God or everything.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
God is like infinite... infinte is always larger than any number... God is always larger than any individualized thing.

For any ontological entity it is true that God is larger than it.

What also means that God cannot be itself an ontological entity.

Simple to define, but not so simple to understand.

If God is infinite..then everything is infinite and God is a part of it.

Look everything is the set of all sets (of course a paradoxon...but no matter) ...God is a subset of it. Whether it is the set itself or not is arguable. But it is certainly not bigger than everything. It can not be by the definition of the word.

I do not understand how people can not grasp this simple concept.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Which one of them?

whob. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
whob. 😉

I can't contact him. I kinda doubt he is Thundar though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I can't contact him. I kinda doubt he is Thundar though.

I'm being cynical, so please forgive me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm being cynical, so please forgive me.

1. like or characteristic of a cynic; distrusting or disparaging the motives of others.
2. showing contempt for accepted standards of honesty or morality by one's actions, esp. by actions that exploit the scruples of others.
3. bitterly or sneeringly distrustful, contemptuous, or pessimistic.

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Originally posted by Bardock42
1. like or characteristic of a cynic; distrusting or disparaging the motives of others.
2. showing contempt for accepted standards of honesty or morality by one's actions, esp. by actions that exploit the scruples of others.
3. bitterly or sneeringly distrustful, contemptuous, or pessimistic.

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More like bitterly sneering pessimism, but not much distrustful or contemptuous. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
More like bitterly sneering pessimism, but not much distrustful or contemptuous. 😉

Boring.

So, can you tell me how my reasoning is in any way wrong? Also, what is yours?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Boring.

So, can you tell me how my reasoning is in any way wrong? Also, what is yours?

We mostly agree. We both see a god as being a subset of everything. However, I believe that everything is so complex that it all together is equivalent to God.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We mostly agree. We both see a god as being a subset of everything. However, I believe that everything is so complex that it all together is equivalent to God.

I don't get paid for abstruse theories....actually I don't get paid at all.

I stick with what I can most likely know...I don't see how I could pretend to believe in a stance such as yours or debbiejo's or any Christians.

Which is also why I go by logic. And...well, God (whether existent or not) can not be bigger than everything. Nothing can be bigger than everything.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't get paid for abstruse theories....actually I don't get paid at all.

I stick with what I can most likely know...I don't see how I could pretend to believe in a stance such as yours or debbiejo's or any Christians.

Which is also why I go by logic. And...well, God (whether existent or not) can not be bigger than everything. Nothing can be bigger than everything.

I understand what you are saying, and my idea is not Christian at all. Consider this: there is the universe and no god within it. However, the universe is a complex system that is control, for lack of a better word, by chaotic order. A living organism and a complex system controlled by chaotic order act as an analogy of each other. That is why I say that the universe is equivalent to God.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I understand what you are saying, and my idea is not Christian at all. Consider this: there is the universe and no god within it. However, the universe is a complex system that is control, for lack of a better word, by chaotic order. A living organism and a complex system controlled by chaotic order act as an analogy of each other. That is why I say that the universe is equivalent to God.

Well... but that is a redefinition of the word God.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well... but that is a redefinition of the word God.

Yes. Try this... The Mystic Law. Is that better?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes. Try this... The Mystic Law. Is that better?

Not really, but whatever floats your boat. Anyways.

God can't be bigger than everything, settled?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not really, but whatever floats your boat. Anyways.

God can't be bigger than everything, settled?

Yes he can. I win. 😉

Originally posted by Thundar
Yes he can. I win. 😉

No he can't (see logic/language)

Originally posted by Bardock42
If God is infinite..then everything is infinite and God is a part of it.

Look everything is the set of all sets (of course a paradoxon...but no matter) ...God is a subset of it. Whether it is the set itself or not is arguable. But it is certainly not bigger than everything. It can not be by the definition of the word.

In my view God is the set of all sets, so I think you are giving 'everything' the same meaning I give to 'God'.

So God = Everything.

Q.E.D.

By most definitions of everything nothing can be larger than it.

By one definition of God it is equal/larger.

Everything is usually greater than God.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not really, but whatever floats your boat. Anyways.

God can't be bigger than everything, settled?

No. Boat floating is not allowed.

*Reads posts*

cry

Originally posted by debbiejo
*Reads posts*

cry

What is wrong with you? 😕