Originally posted by Atlantis001
In my view God is the set of all sets, so I think you are giving 'everything' the same meaning I give to 'God'.So God = Everything.
Q.E.D.
That's your view. Basically what you are saying is this:
"I create an Axiom 1 that says "God is everything"
Now if I assume God is everything, I am right because of Axiom 1
=> God is everything
q.e.d."
That works, but the axiom might be wrong.
What we know for sure (as sure as it gets) is the Axiom "Everything is all there is" and "Nothing can be more than all there is".
Those are how the words are defined.
And we can only conclude from it that God is either smaller or equal to everything.
Religion is not a guessing game, where everyone can throw out there own theory without evidence without being called out. It's getting crazy lately because people seem to think that whatever wacko idea they believe in should be taken seriously. I guess the reasoning is "Hey, if some dudes 2000 years ago can write some book and be taken seriously now, why can't I?"
It gets annoying though.
Originally posted by Thundar
Yes he can. I win. 😉
Impossible.
Everything = god + complement of God
But please, show your reasoning.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That's your view. Basically what you are saying is this:"I create an Axiom 1 that says "God is everything"
Now if I assume God is everything, I am right because of Axiom 1
=> God is everything
q.e.d."
That works, but the axiom might be wrong.
What we know for sure (as sure as it gets) is the Axiom "Everything is all there is" and "Nothing can be more than all there is".
Those are how the words are defined.
And we can only conclude from it that God is either smaller or equal to everything.
Religion is not a guessing game, where everyone can throw out there own theory without evidence without being called out. It's getting crazy lately because people seem to think that whatever wacko idea they believe in should be taken seriously. I guess the reasoning is "Hey, if some dudes 2000 years ago can write some book and be taken seriously now, why can't I?"
It gets annoying though.
God was always thought to be everything, the ultimate reality or such in any place that believes in it. You are defining God differently in your own way. The God you are talking about is not the same God that I am talking about.
In many places God is thought to be an non ontological entity, while everything is still an ontogical entity.
God is the source of all individualized things or ontological entities, and everything is still a ontological entity, a individualized concept.
"Nothing can be more than everything" means actually that no entity can be more than everything, but God is not an individualized thing or entity(in some places at least and since I am not talking about the most popular view of God... that of the old man in a cloud).
Originally posted by Bardock42
Religion is not a guessing game, where everyone can throw out there own theory without evidence without being called out. It's getting crazy lately because people seem to think that whatever wacko idea they believe in should be taken seriously. I guess the reasoning is "Hey, if some dudes 2000 years ago can write some book and be taken seriously now, why can't I?"
Erm . . . yes religion is a guessing game where you can come up with any crazy theory you want.
(thats what initially started religion, philosiphy and even science)
Originally posted by Atlantis001
God was always thought to be everything, the ultimate reality or such in any place that believes in it. You are defining God differently in your own way. The God you are talking about is not the same God that I am talking about.In many places God is thought to be an non ontological entity, while everything is still an ontogical entity.
God is the source of all individualized things or ontological entities, and everything is still a ontological entity, a individualized concept.
"Nothing can be more than everything" means actually that no entity can be more than everything, but God is not an individualized thing or entity(in some places at least and since I am not talking about the most popular view of God... that of the old man in a cloud).
No, sorry, that's bullshit, your fun definition is great, but the actual definition of "God" is
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
If you feel that this Supreme Being is the all there is, alright. your choice.
And everything doesn't just talk about entities and leave out God. It talks about..everything.
At this place also the definition of everything
1. every thing or particular of an aggregate or total; all.
I don't see the definition saying "all, but the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe" ... it just says all.
And we are talking about God...not a mystic force, or the Universe as total, but God...God has a definition...not all the things you (not only you, but also all the spiritual freaks that think just because they can think their opinions are of any value to anyone) make up.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Erm . . . yes religion is a guessing game where you can come up with any crazy theory you want.(thats what initially started religion, philosiphy and even science)
That religions are just a guess is clear.
That does not mean that everyone that guesses something for one reason or another has to be taken seriously.
It's idiotic nowadays, just because someone believes something they get taken seriously.
How often do you hear "We are all one, we are all God and the same lolz" .... it gets annoying.
And if it is alright for them to state their shit, why can't anyone else make shit up.
What if I start 5 threads about some bogus idea, like Urizen's Orgasmism...should be valued the same as people who say "We are all energy", don't you think?
Originally posted by Bardock42
That religions are just a guess is clear.That does not mean that everyone that guesses something for one reason or another has to be taken seriously.
It's idiotic nowadays, just because someone believes something they get taken seriously.
How often do you hear "We are all one, we are all God and the same lolz" .... it gets annoying.
And if it is alright for them to state their shit, why can't anyone else make shit up.
What if I start 5 threads about some bogus idea, like Urizen's Orgasmism...should be valued the same as people who say "We are all energy", don't you think?
I agree with you in practice. However, if you deny people the ability to create their own beliefs then the true scope of human potential will never be explored.
From a religious point of view denying the claims of every person who claims to be the second coming means you're gonna miss it when Jesus really does come back 😏.
As for Orgasmism . . . the merit is not equal to that of people who seriously believe what they say.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I agree with you in practice. However, if you deny people the ability to create their own beliefs then the true scope of human potential will never be explored.From a religious point of view denying the claims of every person who claims to be the second coming means you're gonna miss it when Jesus really does come back 😏.
As for Orgasmism . . . the merit is not equal to that of people who seriously believe what they say.
No, they may create it, I just think I should have the right to shit on it.
Not my problem, really.
Yes, it is the same, just because some people are delusional doesn't matter. Why do I have top believe it to be allowes to say something equally ridiculous?
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, sorry, that's bullshit, your fun definition is great, but the actual definition of "God" is1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.If you feel that this Supreme Being is the all there is, alright. your choice.
There are many different views of God, thats why there are different religions and spiritual beliefs. Some of them disagree with the others. Your definition is not the only one.
Originally posted by Bardock42
And we are talking about God...not a mystic force, or the Universe as total, but God...God has a definition...not all the things you (not only you, but also all the spiritual freaks that think just because they can think their opinions are of any value to anyone) make up.
God is a mystic force or the universe as total. Thats a very common view that can be found in buddhism, hinduism, theosophy, qabbalah, many esoteric sects and occultism and even in christianism... actually the modern individualized versions of God descended from them.
Now the other limited views of God as an individualized thing would be like you are saying. But it is only a consequence of misinterpretation of the original meaning.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
There are many different views of God, thats why there are different religions and spiritual beliefs. Some of them disagree with the others. Your definition is not the only one.God is a mystic force or the universe as total. Thats a very common view that can be found in buddhism, hinduism, theosophy, qabbalah, many esoteric sects and occultism and even in christianism... actually the modern individualized versions of God descended from them.
Now the other limited views of God as an individualized thing would be like you are saying. But it is only a consequence of misinterpretation of the original meaning.
Of course there are many different views. But the word God is defined. You can call your pig God if you feel like it.
Anyways, it is all no matter. The only thing we can be certain (pretty much) of is that God is at most equal, but surely not bigger than everything.
Hey, you can interpret it any way you like, it is not factual obviously, but if you enjoy it, good. But by definition of the word everything God can not be bigger. It might be the same...in your belief, but it can't be bigger.
Can we agree on that? From an objective not-biased by own believes point of view?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Of course there are many different views. But the word God is defined. You can call your pig God if you feel like it.Anyways, it is all no matter. The only thing we can be certain (pretty much) of is that God is at most equal, but surely not bigger than everything.
Hey, you can interpret it any way you like, it is not factual obviously, but if you enjoy it, good. But by definition of the word everything God can not be bigger. It might be the same...in your belief, but it can't be bigger.
Can we agree on that? From an objective not-biased by own believes point of view?
However, is the universe just all that exists? Is the imagined also part of everything? If it is not, then there is something bigger then everything: everything + imagination.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, is the universe just all that exists? Is the imagined also part of everything? If it is not, then there is something bigger then everything: everything + imagination.
Then again everything is....everything, so since every thing (even imagined) is part of everything your point does not apply.