Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
^ I thought he survived 🙂 ?xD
Anyways, Atris has an advantage in force, but was she any good at dueling at all? She was a librarian, whereas Fisto was one of the best duelists in the Order.
Yeah, she must suck at saber combat, which is why she put Brianna on her knees. Brianna, who killed all of her Echani sisters in melee at the same time.
Originally posted by Antediluvian
Let's clear something up here, Hord.You were completely wrong by saying the Jedi are more martial than the Sith. That's outrageously ridiculous!
I didn't indicate that you were trolling whatsoever. I said "don't even try trolling with me".
I would like to elaborate on the words "[B]DON'T EVEN TRY
".I was telling basically not to attempt to troll with me because it would get you nowhere. [/B]
There's no need to lie. It is obvious that you believed I was trolling with you. Or are you saying that you somehow came up with the prediction that I was about to begin trolling, and warned me in advance.
And neither Janus or I were wrong. Our definition of the word 'martial' differed slightly.
Originally posted by hord06
There's no need to lie. It is obvious that you believed I was trolling with you. Or are you saying that you somehow came up with the prediction that I was about to begin trolling, and warned me in advance.And neither Janus or I were wrong. Our definition of the word 'martial' differed slightly.
Holy shit. Screw right off.
Nobody is lying. Stop trolling! Now you're actually doing it! This is why I said don't even try to do it with me. Obviously you have poor listening skills.
No, I meant don't attempt to troll with me, and look at what you're doing now. You're trolling! It was an assumption I made that ended up becoming correct.
You were wrong. The Jedi aren't as Martial as the Sith. End of story.
Originally posted by MEDVOCK
If you ask me, the move was CHEAP and UNFAIR, considering how GL planned it out. I mean, he had a friggin martial artist playing as Kit, and made no use of him!!! I blame Ian's cwappy fighting skills.*raises flame shield*
Actually, you could blame Palpatine's superior dueling skills as to why Fisto ended up on the ground with a new breathing hole on his chest.
No, that whole fight beforehand does. And Brianna WAS canonically force sensitive and a jedi, since she's depicted in the ending as going on to rebirth the Jedi Order. And she pwned Brianna with the lightning, but there WAS a fight beforehand. Pay attention.
1) We don't know how the fight went. All we know is she had her saber out. In fact, I just ran around the room placing mines.
2) What? I never heard of that line. This happens AFTER you defeat Traya? I'll go check it out.
Either way, she was a newly trained Jedi who *could* have simply lightning-pwned her non force sensitive sisters. Atris putting up a fight with her (and that's ASSUMING it was a saber fight) isn't too impressive, and doesn't give her an edge over Fisto.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
1) We don't know how the fight went. All we know is she had her saber out. In fact, I just ran around the room placing mines.
What do you think: How high is the possibility that a trained Jedi will walk into mines that said Jedi has seen being placed on the ground right before ?
2) What? I never heard of that line. This happens AFTER you defeat Traya? I'll go check it out.
Traya gives that information when you ask her about the future of your friends.
Either way, she was a newly trained Jedi who *could* have simply lightning-pwned her non force sensitive sisters. Atris putting up a fight with her (and that's ASSUMING it was a saber fight) isn't too impressive, and doesn't give her an edge over Fisto. [/B]
It was new to me that Jedi are now using lightning against their enemies - especially multiple people at once and especially when they just had a few days of training. Brianna just pwned her sisters either in raw melee combat (when not being trained) or with a combination of lightsaber / force abilities.
And then Atris did put up a fight against her (Force defence / saber abilities) and finally pwned her with lightning. She might not be the greatest lightsaber user due to the fact that she was a librarian but her force control should be enough to handle Fisto.
What do you think: How high is the possibility that a trained Jedi will walk into mines that said Jedi has seen being placed on the ground right before ?
Ah, but I also used stun/flash grenades. She could have been stunned or blinded when I placed the mines!
I also used damaging grenades. Those thermal detonators pack a punch.
It was new to me that Jedi are now using lightning against their enemies - especially multiple people at once and especially when they just had a few days of training.
She could have been Dark Jedi.
Even if she didn't use lightning, she could have simply used offensive force TK. They have no defense for that at all.
Brianna just pwned her sisters either in raw melee combat (when not being trained) or with a combination of lightsaber / force abilities.
Uh, proof?
Anyways, we're not even sure Exile was male, so the scene could have been moot canonically.
'However, if the Exile was male, and if you fought "normally", Atris pwns a newb Jedi.'
We're dealing with "ifs" and "coulds" here.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
Ah, but I also used stun/flash grenades. She could have been stunned or blinded when I placed the mines!I also used damaging grenades. Those thermal detonators pack a punch.
Yeah. I totally see thrown explosives hitting a Jedi...think about it.
She could have been Dark Jedi.Even if she didn't use lightning, she could have simply used offensive force TK. They have no defense for that at all.
She can't have used the force against 5 people at once with the small amount of training she did receive up to that point.
Uh, proof?Anyways, we're not even sure Exile was male, so the scene could have been moot canonically.
'However, if the Exile was male, and if you fought "normally", Atris pwns a newb Jedi.'
We're dealing with "ifs" and "coulds" here.
Some facts never change:
- she was member of the Council
- she was the librarian (had access to massive amounts of knowledge)
- she had an entire room filled with Sith holocrons and studied them
Yeah...we are dealing with "ifs" and "coulds" here:
If you could give me some reason why Atris shouldn't be able to defeat Kit Fisto with her force powers and if you could give me a logic argument why somebody who managed to escape Sith Assasins for ten years and put an female Echani Jedi on her ass would suck at lightsaber combat - then I could believe that Kit Fisto walks away as winner.
He would put up a nice fight when it comes to a lightsaber duel but I don't see him winning.
Yeah. I totally see thrown explosives hitting a Jedi...think about it.
In such close-quarters, possibly. Especially if you went chucking 'em like mad.
She can't have used the force against 5 people at once with the small amount of training she did receive up to that point.
Maybe not, but she could have used a grenade.
So I guess Jaden beat Ragnos' spirit by using the E-11 carbine, huh?
If it's an official item in the game, then yes. It's possible. As possible as pretty much any other weapon.
- she was member of the Council
- she was the librarian (had access to massive amounts of knowledge)
- she had an entire room filled with Sith holocrons and studied them
People like Yaddle fit 2/3 of those descriptions. But of course for the third. That's why she takes him in a force fight.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
In such close-quarters, possibly. Especially if you went chucking 'em like mad.
They have to be thrown...they have to move through the air...and I'd like to see the user of said explosives after using them in close-quarters. Would you drop a grenade just in front of your feet to kill an opponent standing right in front of you ?
Maybe not, but she could have used a grenade.
No, she can't because you can hear the fight and you hear people getting hit and drop on the ground but you don't hear any explosions...
If it's an official item in the game, then yes. It's possible. As possible as pretty much any other weapon.
I'd like to see him taking down Ragnos posessing the body of a force user with a blaster rifle. Lmao.
People like Yaddle fit 2/3 of those descriptions. But of course for the third. That's why she takes him in a force fight.
Yes, it is.
Originally posted by Antediluvian
Actually, you could blame Palpatine's superior dueling skills as to why Fisto ended up on the ground with a new breathing hole on his chest.
I know that Palpatine is a far superior dueler than any of the other Jedi, but I do not believe the film portrayed this very well. FACT: Ian is a terrible DUELIST. They should have used a stunt double!
They have to be thrown...they have to move through the air...and I'd like to see the user of said explosives after using them in close-quarters. Would you drop a grenade just in front of your feet to kill an opponent standing right in front of you ?
It really depends how you tackle the situation, running to the corner, chuck it at her, she'll keep on moving out of the way until you land one, or get her isolated, using grenades as "cover fire" while you set the mines. She might be distracted dodging the nades as you plant one or two mines.
you can pull it off in the game!
No, she can't because you can hear the fight and you hear people getting hit and drop on the ground but you don't hear any explosions...
Hm. I'll reload a male file and check that out, but she could have used force tk. And how long has she been a Jedi? It could be a few days... or months?
I'd like to see him taking down Ragnos posessing the body of a force user with a blaster rifle. Lmao.
... if the blaster rifle can hurt him... then it can be done.
Really, I can't put Atris above Kit in saber dueling until I see some canon evidence.
I know that Palpatine is a far superior dueler than any of the other Jedi, but I do not believe the film portrayed this very well. FACT: Ian is a terrible DUELIST. They should have used a stunt double!
The scene was a product of terrible directing. It was supposed to make us think "Woah, Palpatine is awesome" but it instead made us think "Woah, those three suckz!".
They should have drawn it out for a minute, having Palpatine doing crazy stuff and dispatching the Jedi, but in a close quartered area like Palpatine's office, a stunt double would be easily recognized.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
It really depends how you tackle the situation, running to the corner, chuck it at her, she'll keep on moving out of the way until you land one, or get her isolated, using grenades as "cover fire" while you set the mines. She might be distracted dodging the nades as you plant one or two mines.
Really dude. She might also throw the first grenade thrown at her right back while you are busy planting mines and throwing other explosives at once - this is bullshit.
you can pull it off in the game!
Yes. And the Exile can survive direct lightsaber and blaster hits in the game as well as Revan can do it in KotoR I. Want to argue that something like this will happen in "reality" ?
Hm. I'll reload a male file and check that out, but she could have used force tk. And how long has she been a Jedi? It could be a few days... or months?
Months ? The game clearly only covers weeks at max and Brianna can't be trained from the beginning on, meaning that she had some days of training und the Exile.
... if the blaster rifle can hurt him... then it can be done.
We're talking about Ragnos here in the body of a force user. Meh...every damn idiot Jedi should be able to block blasterfire from a single opponent.
Really, I can't put Atris above Kit in saber dueling until I see some canon evidence.
You don't have to. I can't do that, too. But she is most likely superior to him in force combat and can use a nice amount of Sith knowledge which makes duelling pretty senseless. Dooku wtfpwned Sora Bulq with a wave of Sith lightning in the comics without even using his saber.