Originally posted by Janus Marius
It's possible Dooku didn't want to kill Mace at all, since his motives are surprisingly obscure.
The same thing could technically be said about Mace's intentions regarding Dooku. As Shatterpoint revealed, Mace knew that Dooku was no longer the war's key shatterpoint, so killing him would stop nothing. In fact, Dooku admits this himself during their duel. We've also seen Windu's hesitance to kill Dooku, even when the oppurtunity arises (Geonosis), and by the fact that his past intentions have been to capture the Count rather than kill him (Jedi: Mace Windu).
Originally posted by Faunus
The same thing could technically be said about Mace's intentions regarding Dooku. As Shatterpoint revealed, Mace knew that Dooku was no longer the war's key shatterpoint, so killing him would stop nothing. In fact, Dooku admits this himself during their duel. We've also seen Windu's hesitance to kill Dooku, even when the oppurtunity arises (Geonosis), and by the fact that his past intentions have been to capture the Count rather than kill him (Jedi: Mace Windu).
Well, one thing I never tend to put in my arguments much (Because versus matches are supposed to be neutral) is the emotional struggle behind each battle. Yoda didn't straight out kill Dooku, Mace didn't try and kill him, and when push comes to shove, Dooku didn't try to kill Obi-Wan or Anakin either (You could argue that he knew Yoda would save them when he dropped the object on them). From what I've read and seen in film, I chalk this up to Dooku not being completely against the Sith. And this probably pissed SIdious off. Anakin, however, was easily swayed into killing off his fellow jedi entirely.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Well, one thing I never tend to put in my arguments much (Because versus matches are supposed to be neutral) is the emotional struggle behind each battle. Yoda didn't straight out kill Dooku, Mace didn't try and kill him, and when push comes to shove, Dooku didn't try to kill Obi-Wan or Anakin either (You could argue that he knew Yoda would save them when he dropped the object on them). From what I've read and seen in film, I chalk this up to Dooku not being completely against the Sith. And this probably pissed Sidious off. Anakin, however, was easily swayed into killing off his fellow Jedi entirely.
Not completely against the Jedi? I agree with you completely there. He even admits in LoE that he'd be sad to see the old Order go, ignorant to why and how they were being toppled. Yeah, Dooku's a strange one. But still the coolest Sith Lord evah.
Originally posted by Antediluvian
Sounding a little bit fanboyish there.When it comes to Dooku being superior to Mace in dueling skills, that's bullshit.
They're on par, at best.
Force abilities? Yes, Dooku is stronger in the force so he could use the force to disable Mace but I doubt he would do that.
He'd most likely prefer a good battle with Mace.
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Well Dooku had beaten Mace in his youth, but that might be before or after Mace mastered Vaapad. I'm not too sure on that little fact because starwars.com didnt go to far in depth about it.... 😕
actually in the Clone Wars comic #7, Mace confronts Dooku but Dooku tells two magna gaurds to take him and it buys Dooku enough time to escape (Mace was like "Wha-? You dont think these droids can stop me?" and Dooku was like "No, but they can keep you occupied" and Mace and the gaurds fell down a cliff!)
Originally posted by Council#13
✅Well Dooku had beaten Mace in his youth, but that might be before or after Mace mastered Vaapad. I'm not too sure on that little fact because starwars.com didnt go to far in depth about it.... 😕
actually in the Clone Wars comic #7, Mace confronts Dooku but Dooku tells two magna gaurds to take him and it buys Dooku enough time to escape (Mace was like "Wha-? You dont think these droids can stop me?" and Dooku was like "No, but they can keep you occupied" and Mace and the gaurds fell down a cliff!)
At least you read every previous post.
Originally posted by Faunus
Not completely against the Jedi? I agree with you completely there. He even admits in LoE that he'd be sad to see the old Order go, ignorant to why and how they were being toppled. Yeah, Dooku's a strange one. But still the coolest Sith Lord evah.
From the looks of that battle they were on par at best except for Dooku's final blow to Mace before they dragged him away, which looked to be in his offensive favor.
Indeed, or perhaps even if Dooku was fairly superior, he knew there was a chance he could die or lose, thus he chose not to take that risk.
Yeah, because being humble about your chance of killing Mace Windu means Mace can beat you. Of course.
Yoda thought he was gonna tool Sidious and we saw how that turned out. The difference in duelling ability between Dooku and Yoda, or Dooku and Mace, or even Dooku and Sidious may have been a hell of a lot closer than say, Obi-Wan and any of them, or Kit Fisto versus any of them.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
The difference in duelling ability between Dooku and Yoda, or Dooku and Mace, or even Dooku and Sidious may have been a hell of a lot closer than say, Obi-Wan and any of them, or Kit Fisto versus any of them.
Yup, I agree.
But I think they shouldn't have let Samuel and Ian do the duelling scene in ROTS theirselves. That's a joke in terms of fastness and fighting choreography if you compare that to CGI Yoda vs Stuntman Dooku in AotC or CGI Sidious vs CGI Yoda later in ROTS .
Originally posted by darthsith19
Mace blocked that blow easily, no harm done. Dooku knew he couldn't win. Look at the dialogue. The entire duel he's talking like Mace could beat him. "Even if you kill me..." "You won't kill me. Not today."Yeah, just like he was superior to Yoda in AOTC but couldn't take the risk.
He said EVEN if you kill me. So he knew the possibility was there but he did not want to take the risk.
Dooku is not superior to Yoda.