How people make a big deal about a gay movie but not care about violent deaths

Good point Darth Nepulis,

I'd rather there be no "gay" movies but if people are freaking out over gay movies then movies about blood and gore should be treated the same but they never will be it is a matter of opinion and THAT is a WHOLE other topic

Brokeback mountain is getting a lot of attention because of the Oscars. How ever this is not the first gay movie by any stretch. Anyone remember the one with Wesley Snipes and Patrick Swazee and another one with robin williams? They were all transvestites.

Originally posted by Darth Nepulis
Why does America make a big deal about Brokeback Mountain simply because it has two gay guys, yet when they see bloody, gruesome, horrible death they couldn't careless.

I've seen movies that show people cutting there wrists, mutilating people's corpses and no one cares about that stuff - why?

I rather see people getting shot than two guys holding hands. 😛

Originally posted by Darth Nepulis
Why does America make a big deal about Brokeback Mountain simply because it has two gay guys, yet when they see bloody, gruesome, horrible death they couldn't careless.

I've seen movies that show people cutting there wrists, mutilating people's corpses and no one cares about that stuff - why?

Because its somehow ok to make movies about rapists, serial killers, child abusers and other gruesome things, but God forbid you make a movie with gays in it. That could significantly damage everyone in their decision to be straight.

Obviously making movies with mind numbing violence is ok. Its more dangerous to show people that gay =/= sex, but gay = love too, than some guy getting his head blown off.

But isn't a guy getting his head blown off part of Brokeback Mountain?

I'm confused.

It's only ok to have gay people in movies if they are reduced to stereotypes or comic relief.
like too wong foo, the birdcage, the producers, i could go on and on.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Mostly because our culture just simply has violence as a part of it. (I'm talking America) To be honest, homosexuality is just weird to those that aren't homosexuals. However, making a big deal out of it just makes no sense on both sides of this argument. If you don't like what the movie is about, your best protest is just don't buy it.

That's exactly it. Violence is and has always been a large part of American culture and history; and it's nothing new either; it goes way back: the Revolution, killing Native Americans, the Slave Trade, the Civil War, killing more Native Americans, Prohibition, street gangs, the Roaring Twenties, organized crime, Civil Rights, The War on Drugs, etc, etc, etc... So murder, blood, and guts, is not a big deal, because in a way it tells how many Americans feel about different issues and actually gives us vicarious enjoyment because its something to relate to.

Homosexuality, on the other hand, has never been a factor in American history and gays and "gayness" have never really contributed to American development. James Buchanan was "allegedly" gay 🙄; and J. Edgar Hoover was the FBI Director for over 40 years. But they were in the closet. Hoover did a lot, but Buchanan's contributions were minimal. And yes, it's just plain weird and really unnatural to be gay to many Americans.

America has Puritan roots and ideals that trickle down through the laws for the last few hundred years. But now, the world is getting smaller, and the population more diverse, and old laws are being challenged. Hence, views on homosexuality are under revision.

Simple - Screwed up priorities and morals on the part of the most preachy and idiotic folk in the country. Unfortunately, it's usually these loud mouth idiots who voice their opinion the most, thus making it seem as if they're in the majority.

It's been like this for a while. Watching murder and death is okay, watching two people express love - Call the FCC, I don't want my kids seeing that!

Why does America make a big deal about Brokeback Mountain simply because it has two gay guys, yet when they see bloody, gruesome, horrible death they couldn't careless.

I've seen movies that show people cutting there wrists, mutilating people's corpses and no one cares about that stuff - why?

because movies are made specificly to garner a response from it's audience. To attain this, generally they include aspects of different characters that people can relate to. Many of us would much rather be gruesomely, violently murdered than fucked in the ass.

throwing an idea out there how about a horror film with a gay couple in it!!!!!!!shocking

It's been done.

Yeah, I have to agree with that. Gory movies can be depicted as "real" or "epic" or "edgey". There's no great catchphrases for gay dramas.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yeah, I have to agree with that. Gory movies can be depicted as "real" or "epic" or "edgey". There's no great catchphrases for gay dramas.

How about "disgusting".

No, we're looking for catchphrases that get peoples' interest. But really, who's going to see this movie unless they're women or gay or both? There's nothing to appeal to heterosexual males. Meanwhile, gore has plenty of fun and splatter for everyone.

And really, neither of them "convert" children or society into murderers and gay people any more than say... a novel can. Nobody burns Brokeback Mountain, the book, right? And no one burns all of Stephen King's books. What's the point?

I'd like to think that Brokeback Mountain being a very very good film is enough to get people to see it, but alas, guess that isn't the case for a lot of people who would rather watch Bringing Down the House 3 than a great and important movie.

Great and important are subjective terms. I realize that there's more to this movie than controversy, and that it might be a genuinely good movie, but that doesn't really make me want to run out and watch it. If it comes on tv or something, yeah okay. It's very rarely that I have the luxury to sit down and watch a movie uninterrupted, so I tend to gravitate towards what I really wanna see.

And Bringing Down the House 3 is not one of them. I was holding out for 4... lol

Originally posted by BackFire
Call the FCC, I don't want my kids seeing that!

"Because then I'd have to EXPLAIN IT!"

-AC

A movie being genuinely good doesn't make you want to go and watch it?

Don't follow that reasoning, but alright.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Because then I'd have to EXPLAIN IT!"

-AC

Yeah I know, God forbid people be good parents these days, takes too much time away from watching American Idol and The O.C.!

Originally posted by BackFire
Simple - Screwed up priorities and morals on the part of the most preachy and idiotic folk in the country. Unfortunately, it's usually these loud mouth idiots who voice their opinion the most, thus making it seem as if they're in the majority.

It's been like this for a while. Watching murder and death is okay, watching two people express love - Call the FCC, I don't want my kids seeing that!

Couldn't have put it better myself ✅ Nice.