How people make a big deal about a gay movie but not care about violent deaths

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Killing is more understandable to many Americans than a gay relationship because its far more familiar. Like I said, US history is written in blood. You're Australian, you guys hate guns, so obviously your point of view and ability to relate are very different.

Actually we don't hate guns. We just have laws because we realised most people don't need to have a heap of guns, and if they were going to own a gun it would be for a reason and they would have to be licensed because we thought "hey, maybe it would be harder for a person to carry out another massacre if it wasn't as easy to get guns" - common sense, not a gun hate or gun phobia.

And once again - killing more familiar then gay relationships. Is it more familiar then heterosexual relationships? Oops, I forgot, there is a vast amount different between the two which prevents any sort of understanding.

hope you're not lecturing me on US history, because between the two of us, I believe I would be more wellrounded and knowledgable. I would never attempt to unload on you about Australian history. Those two gay men I chose to point out were prominent in political history; one was a president and the other was the FBI Director for over 40 years. I don't think the dad from The Brady Bunch or Richard Chamberlain have accomplishments that compare the other two I mentioned.

No, I wouldn't lecture you, because I don't need to. But trust me, you can't study modern history without learning a fair bit about American history, and as a result I feel I can say I am no slouch when it comes to your history, including famous individuals. The point I was trying to make - I know there are a great deal more notable names then you are making out.

And sorry, but The dad from the Brady Bunch? You mean his character or in real life? But regardless he is just one of many, many, many gay people from the US (and the world) who have contributed to the humanities and sciences.

And Lincoln wasn't gay! That was probably started by some person who was just trying to cause some shit for laughs.

Actually it is a valid theory that has received some attention from historians. Is it true, I can't say, but some people think it could be, and they didn't just make it up for laughs.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And once again - killing more familiar then gay relationships. Is it more familiar then heterosexual relationships? Oops, I forgot, there is a vast amount different between the two which prevents any sort of understanding.

What are you getting at?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Actually it is a valid theory that has received some attention from historians. Is it true, I can't say, but some people think it could be, and they didn't just make it up for laughs.

I've heard most of the theories as to why they believe he was gay, and they're farfetched. They nitpick on things that apply to many wealthy American men who lived during the Victorian Era.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What are you getting at?

Who knows... that apparantly homosexual relationships are so much more alien then heterosexual ones despite being fundementally the same except in a physical sense. That a familiaraity with historical violence somehow translates to famaliarity with all forms of violence which are all more familiar then homosexuality despite homosexuality not being all that uncommon today.

I've heard most of the theories as to why they believe he was gay, and they're farfetched. They nitpick on things that apply to many wealthy American men who lived during the Victorian Era.

But the historians who investigate this aren't saying all men who lived during the Victorian era were gay. Personally I don't think it's true, but apparantly there is reasonable doubt for some.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
you aren't. You are a person with feelings, ideas, and you have great value. Its your choice of lifestyle and behaviours that are disgusting.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Y'all wanna make me out to be some sort of sadist who hates people?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
then you actually have to try to appear to be better than I am and take a higher ground.

Look at all this crap. But, anyone who looks closely will see your real point. I see the word "I" in there a lot. You aren't gay. You never will be. You give yourself so much credit because of it. And you never will be because you never were. And how is that? Because you chose not to? And if you chose not to be gay, that means the notion was, at one point, entertained? No. Because people who are gay have no choice in the matter. As is typical with people like you, you spend so much time talking about yourself that you have no concept of what it's like to see the world through the eyes of someone who sees things differently. Someone who made no conscious descision to see things differently.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Like I said, US history is written in blood.

And who's blood should it be written in now? The past doesn't justify the future.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I hope you're not lecturing me on US history, because between the two of us, I believe I would be more wellrounded and knowledgable.

Why? Because you were raised in America? History is often written by the victors. Geography is actually a hinderence to the truth in many cases. You have to understand that.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And Lincoln wasn't gay! That was probably started by some person who was just trying to cause some shit for laughs.

you don't know that. But, more to the point, neither does the guy that wrote the book. But what does bother me, is that for you and others, the idea that he was gay somehow diminishes his accomplishments. More over, the idea is "some shit for laughs"...because all gay people are a joke to you. What Lincoln did for this country, and for all minorities...of whom you are a part...should be applauded becauseof actions, not which gender with which he might have slept. It doesn't matter that he was gay or straight. What matters is what he did. And bringing him up is just silly. You and I both enjoy freedoms based on what he thought was right. And, unlike Bush...I'm willing to bet that he doesn't make descisions based on what he wants and then prays he's right. He did what was right for everyone.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
And who's blood should it be written in now? The past doesn't justify the future.

The past should always be acknowledged. As the saying goes: :"The past repeats itself".

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic Why? Because you were raised in America? History is often written by the victors. Geography is actually a hinderence to the truth in many cases. You have to understand that.

Being born and raised in the US definitely helps. I'm aware of the rest of that.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic you don't know that. But, more to the point, neither does the guy that wrote the book. But what does bother me, is that for you and others, the idea that he was gay somehow diminishes his accomplishments. More over, the idea is "some shit for laughs"...because all gay people are a joke to you. What Lincoln did for this country, and for all minorities...of whom you are a part...should be applauded becauseof actions, not which gender with which he might have slept. It doesn't matter that he was gay or straight. What matters is what he did. And bringing him up is just silly. You and I both enjoy freedoms based on what he thought was right. And, unlike Bush...I'm willing to bet that he doesn't make descisions based on what he wants and then prays he's right. He did what was right for everyone.

I don't believe being gay would diminish his accomplishments, and I don't think its a joke. But I think him being gay is extremely doubtful.

Yes, Lincoln freed the slaves and successfully stopped the attempted secession, but I think saying that he did it for ALL minorities is a bit of a stretch. I doubt he had Koreans in mind during the Civil War.

DiamondBullets> Oh, get off your homophobic high horse, and stop PM'ing me. I don't read your PM's, you see, if I want to study garbage, I have a trashcan...

And since you suffer fropm te delusion that gay sex between consenting adults van be compared with child-molestation and incest, I see you are WAY beyond help.

"Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?" - Ernest Gaines

Actually - I would REALLY like to know that. Have there been made any studies? Quiero Mota doesn't make any sense, since "gayness" is not a lifestyle to be compared to violent gang-behavior or some such. Does anyone KNOW where this hysteric homophobia stems from? Europes history is as violent as the American, with wars for centuries, civil wars, colonizations, revolutions and two world wars fought right here.

I_S>"Though I expect someone, somewhere will reply about how a homosexual rape would be worse then a heterosexual one."
Well, technically... A MAN can rarely be RAPED by a woman, can he? I know there are a few scattered cases here and there, but there are not man. A man can, however, be raped by a man...
(Hmmm, lemme think here...)

Capt_Fantastic> Yeah, I looked. Ignore him. There is NO reasoning or arguing with a raving fanatic... No matter what you, I or anyone else attempts I get this image of someone sticking their fingers in their ears going "NO, won't listen" (well, covering their eyes and going "No, won't read"😉...

It's just a matter of what we're used to seeing in the mainstream media. Violence no longer has any shock value, we're used to it. Heterosexual promiscuity no longer has any shock value, we're used to it. Entertainment will always push to be more and more shocking.. it seems that gay sex is just next on the list. Someday our kids will look back on this movie and "not see the big deal."

That said, I would never see Brokeback Mountain. Besides the fact that it looks like a sappy romance mixed with a western, I really don't like the idea of watching two dudes get it on. In the words of Dave Chappelle: "sorry, I just find it to be gross."

Originally posted by The Omega
Actually - I would REALLY like to know that. Have there been made any studies? Quiero Mota doesn't make any sense, since "gayness" is not a lifestyle to be compared to violent gang-behavior or some such. Does anyone KNOW where this hysteric homophobia stems from? Europes history is as violent as the American, with wars for centuries, civil wars, colonizations, revolutions and two world wars fought right here.

I'm not homophobic.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'm not homophobic.

I ain't no homophobe neither, I just don't think homos (or fags as I like to call them) should have the same rights...no homophobe...and they should best be put together in a...hmm...let's call it concentration camp...I'm no homophobe...and then they should be killed in the most horrible ways we can think of...no homophobe....nope.

Also, I don't want to sound racist but blacks (or....) and hispanics (or...) are not as smart as whites and commit more crimes cause they are evil...

I am also not antisemitic...

You get the picture....

Originally posted by Bardock42
I ain't no homophobe neither, I just don't think homos (or fags as I like to call them) should have the same rights...no homophobe...and they should best be put together in a...hmm...let's call it concentration camp...I'm no homophobe...and then they should be killed in the most horrible ways we can think of...no homophobe....nope.

Also, I don't want to sound racist but blacks (or....) and hispanics (or...) are not as smart as whites and commit more crimes cause they are evil...

I am also not antisemitic...

You get the picture....

Are you calling me a liar?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Are you calling me a liar?

Am I?

Chale ese.

El vato estes un tonto primero.

He doesn't have any other point to add or anything to say about anyone else's point, so he's blowing smoke.

(Happens on these boards quite often.) 😉

Originally posted by Bardock42
Am I?

I never suggested any of those things you said. Because I don't believe Lincoln was gay doesn't make me a homophobe.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
He doesn't have any other point to add or anything to say about anyone else's point, so he's blowing smoke.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Chale ese.

El vato estes un tonto primero.

He doesn't have any other point to add or anything to say about anyone else's point, so he's blowing smoke.

(Happens on these boards quite often.) 😉

Yo sé guey, pero su ridículo y molestar, ese.

My bad, I didn't understand the last part.

Something about ridicule and molestation?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Wait, I'm ridiculous... or he is?

😐 Neither; talking shit is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
😐 Neither; talking shit is ridiculous.

No it isn't...

Sure is.

I hate when I'm trying to make a point, and whether or not someone agrees with my point of view (that I can handle) but they point the finger in someother bullshit direction, or try to jump on me about something unrelated to the topic.

Estes mal, no?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
My bad, I didn't understand the last part.

Something about ridicule and molestation?

ridicuolus and annoying

¿Qué sucedió a tu Español, guey?