How people make a big deal about a gay movie but not care about violent deaths

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Absurd logic.

My life will never take that course.

We can play the "what if" game all day if you wish, but it is rather counter-productive.

I would react much different than you suppose anyway.

After death is heaven, I would only go home sooner.

And the power of my Lord and Saviour is greater than that of any would-be rapists who might try to somehow prove that homosexual sex is natural by FORCING IT on me.

(Much in the same way that popular modern culture, the homosexual movement, and movies like "Fudgepack Mountain" are trying to do now.)

If you honestly believe that heaven exists and that you will go there when you die, why not kill yourself and get there sooner?

Cuz killing yourself is teh bad too, I think. According to someone, somewhere.

Don't you wish.

Because I have a purpose that I have been called to achieve on earth.

Telling others of the gift that the Lord has given them, if they would choose to accept it.

My eternal life was payed for in blood, and I want to, I CHOOSE to repay him by living my life as he wants me to.

Would you like me to pray for you Adam?

PM me.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you honestly believe that heaven exists and that you will go there when you die, why not kill yourself and get there sooner?

I don't quite understand why are you saying that like it is an unfamiliar/unusal or absurd concept? People are ALREADY doing that.

Originally posted by sithsaber408

Because I have a purpose that I have been called to achieve on earth.

Who told you that? Hearing voices is usually part of a delusion...

Originally posted by The Omega
Who told you that? Hearing voices is usually part of a delusion...

Really?

So your conscience, or your bodies desire for food, or a natural reaction to good food that says "Oooh, I like this" isn't a voice in your head?

But it's okay as long as its YOUR voice, right?

I never claimed to have a one-on-one dialouge with the Almighty, it's more of an impression, a feeling of confirmation or denial about what I'm asking him.

Plus, I take most of what I follow from the Bible, not an out-loud convo with God.

This is neither here nor there, and once again, I find myself dealing with Liberals who would rather shift the focus from the topic at hand to my religious beliefs.

These points are all moot.

No man telling me to get f*cked in the ass or die would change my views, or make me think that homosexuality is a born genetic trait.

No amount of gibberish posting, by people trying to side-step will make my point of view become the minority in this country. (U.S.A.)

And no cause, rally, parade, or movie like "Fudgepack Mountain" will take homosexuality from being a deviant type of sexual behavior, much like bestiality or child molestation, into a type of sexual lifestyle that goes along with life's natural order, biology, or God's will for people.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Really?

So your conscience, or your bodies desire for food, or a natural reaction to good food that says "Oooh, I like this" isn't a voice in your head?

But it's okay as long as its YOUR voice, right?

I never claimed to have a one-on-one dialouge with the Almighty, it's more of an impression, a feeling of confirmation or denial about what I'm asking him.

Plus, I take most of what I follow from the Bible, not an out-loud convo with God.

This is neither here nor there, and once again, I find myself dealing with Liberals who would rather shift the focus from the topic at hand to my religious beliefs.

These points are all moot.

No man telling me to get f*cked in the ass or die would change my views, or make me think that homosexuality is a born genetic trait.

No amount of gibberish posting, by people trying to side-step will make my point of view become the minority in this country. (U.S.A.)

And no cause, rally, parade, or movie like "Fudgepack Mountain" will take homosexuality from being a deviant type of sexual behavior, much like bestiality or child molestation, into a type of sexual lifestyle that goes along with life's natural order, biology, or God's will for people.

Fire up the crematoria and oil up the cattle car wheels people, we're gonna go do god's work!!!

Getting back on topic.....

I think it's already been stated that, at least here in America, we're already desensitized to violence. There actually was a time when it was frowned upon, and as controversial as the gay thing is now. The thing in Utah, with Larry Miller "banning" the show from his theaters? Who cares? It was probably a good business decision for him. Mormons are some of the most conservative people in the country (right up there with the bible belt in some respects). I doubt it would have made much money there even if he had let it play, but by banning it, he gets all those people who agree with that decision to come to his theaters when they go to see something else.

As for the off-topic comments

- I'd definitely take the bullet to the head first
- Banning gay marriage denies no one rights, they can go find someone of the opposite sex to marry just like anyone else.
-I prefer action to romance, and when I am talked into seeing a romance (comedy usually), I prefer a situation I understand. No empathy here for homos.

Sithsabre> 😆
Ehrm, no, I don’t have a voice in my head going “Uh, yummy, me like.” I just LIKE the food I like… And when I speak to myself in my mind it’s not a booming voice going
“YOU are special; you have been chosen to do MY work.” (By then, I would have turned around to test for hidden loudspeakers). “
Oh, okay, so THE ALMIGHTY doesn’t speak to you personally. So it’s just you trying to justify your prejudices and biased ideas about your fellow human beings. I think your Jesus would shake his head if he heard you, frankly. Didn’t he say something about loving your fellow man?? (Oh, sorry, so, hey… gay guys take it literally, what’s the big deal 😄)???

Well, your precious Bible was written by human beings, you know?

Ohhh, poor you. So now I am a liberal?? I’m not, I’m far more left-winged than that, enjoy my life, and like and help my friends no matter their sexual orientation. My crusades deal with helping homeless people and sending money to a family in India so their daughter can go to school. I don’t judge people based on a rewritten, wrongly-translated book where some guys have left out certain texts, and written in such a way that racist like the KKK can claim to be right in their hideous and inhumane views.
You sound like some ultra-conservative fundamentalist, when you compare gay sex between consenting adults with something as terrible as child molestation. Where is the connection?? So, if you could choose between stopping to gays from having sex and stopping an adult from molesting a child, you’d just stand there, unable to decide what was worst?
Get your priorities straight. You are sick, and your inhumane views scare me.

Again I post:

you aren't. You are a person with feelings, ideas, and you have great value. Its your choice of lifestyle and behaviours that are disgusting.

You post:

You are sick, and your inhumane views scare me.

Or Darth Jello:

Fire up the crematoria and oil up the cattle car wheels people, we're gonna go do god's work!!!

C'mooooonnnnee.

Y'all wanna make me out to be some sort of sadist who hates people?

Then you actually have to try to appear to be better than I am and take a higher ground.

Make that step to turn a blind eye to God, biology, and thousands of years of societies being built on the human family, and tell the people of this world to have unnatural sex in ways that there own bodies would contradict the fucntionality of.

Go on, tell them.

I'll be right here, telling them the Truth, while you're out whooping it up on the town.

One of us is on the right track here.

Time will tell.

Originally posted by The Omega
You sound like some ultra-conservative fundamentalist, when you compare gay sex between consenting adults with something as terrible as child molestation.

They're both biologically unsound, and therefore equally as terrible.

If a brother and sister are fukking yet they are constenting adults (which seems to be the issue) it still doesn't make it ok. Its a perverse abuse of sex as bad as gay sex. (which is why inbreeding is illegal)

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Cuz killing yourself is teh bad too, I think. According to someone, somewhere.

If presented with the choice of having receptive anal sex or being violently murdered, and one chooses to be violently murdered, how is that different than choosing to kill yourself?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Don't you wish.

Because I have a purpose that I have been called to achieve on earth.

Telling others of the gift that the Lord has given them, if they would choose to accept it.

My eternal life was payed for in blood, and I want to, I CHOOSE to repay him by living my life as he wants me to.

Would you like me to pray for you Adam?

PM me.

Apparently, you do not feel strongly enough about this purpose that you feel you "have been called to achieve on earth" to forego death so that you may accomplish it, because you would choose to be violently murdered over participating in receptive anal sex. If this is the case, then there is nothing preventing you from killing yourself now to get to heaven sooner.

Originally posted by docb77
Getting back on topic.....

I think it's already been stated that, at least here in America, we're already desensitized to violence. There actually was a time when it was frowned upon, and as controversial as the gay thing is now. The thing in Utah, with Larry Miller "banning" the show from his theaters? Who cares? It was probably a good business decision for him. Mormons are some of the most conservative people in the country (right up there with the bible belt in some respects). I doubt it would have made much money there even if he had let it play, but by banning it, he gets all those people who agree with that decision to come to his theaters when they go to see something else.

"Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?" - Ernest Gaines

Originally posted by docb77
As for the off-topic comments

- I'd definitely take the bullet to the head first
- Banning gay marriage denies no one rights, they can go find someone of the opposite sex to marry just like anyone else.
-I prefer action to romance, and when I am talked into seeing a romance (comedy usually), I prefer a situation I understand. No empathy here for homos.

[list=1][*]We are all impressed with your childish attempt to prove your heterosexuality.

[*]At one time, it was illegal in the United States for a black person and a white person to marry one another. The argument was that banning interracial marriages denied no one equal marriage rights, as a black person could marry a black person, and a white person could marry a white person, they just could not marry one another.

[*]There is a difference between sympathy and empathy. No one expects you to be able to sympathize with something that you have not experienced, but you should be able to empathize with something that you have not experienced. If you cannot, then I would seriously question what kind of a person you are.[/list]

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?" - Ernest Gaines

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Violence is and has always been a large part of American culture and history; and it's nothing new either; it goes way back: the Revolution, killing Native Americans, the Slave Trade, the Civil War, killing more Native Americans, Prohibition, street gangs, the Roaring Twenties, organized crime, Civil Rights, The War on Drugs, etc, etc, etc... So murder, blood, and guts, is not a big deal, because in a way it tells how many Americans feel about different issues and actually gives us vicarious enjoyment because its something to relate to.

Homosexuality, on the other hand, has never been a factor in American history and gays and "gayness" have never really contributed to American development. James Buchanan was "allegedly" gay 🙄; and J. Edgar Hoover was the FBI Director for over 40 years. But they were in the closet. Hoover did a lot, but Buchanan's contributions were minimal. And yes, it's just plain weird and really unnatural to be gay to many Americans.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Absurd logic.

My life will never take that course.

We can play the "what if" game all day if you wish, but it is rather counter-productive.

I would react much different than you suppose anyway.

After death is heaven, I would only go home sooner.

And the power of my Lord and Saviour is greater than that of any would-be rapists who might try to somehow prove that homosexual sex is natural by FORCING IT on me.

Although it is interesting - in cases of rape, many police report will have the witness saying "He threatened to kill me if" - it would seem to me fear of death has a great deal of power. Though I expect someone, somewhere will reply about how a homosexual rape would be worse then a heterosexual one.

And not sure why you concentrated on that post when the "what ifs" started before - the whole "people can empathise more with brutal murder then certain kinds of sexual relationships" - now the anti-gay lobby harks on about the threat of homosexuality and what it could do to society - but then goes on quite happily about being comfortable (or more comfortable) with murder or at least relate to it more. Am I some kind of anachronism as I think it should be more disturbing that people find brutal killings more acceptable then consenting relationships between to men?

Make that step to turn a blind eye to God, biology, and thousands of years of societies being built on the human family, and tell the people of this world to have unnatural sex in ways that there own bodies would contradict the fucntionality of.

When God actually does something of note, or at least gives us something to have faith in, I would consider it.

Biology - to what extent? Men mating with as many women as possible, women having as many children as possible, leaving the old and sick to die for the good of the species genetic pool? Are we animals and slaves to biological impulses, or are we sentient animals that can actually live our lives away from such things?

Years of societies - we could bring back slaves, harems, marrying our sisters and close cousins, castes and so on. All things these family centric societies had at one point or another, and by oath they swore they were the bees knees. Now what happened to all these societies? And did you know that some historians believe that Christianity played a part in the fall of Rome? It's value system aided in killing that "great society?"

Rome was already well on the decline; Christianity's values only helped to end it. Gladitorial games were one of the things to go out the door due to Christianity. And good riddance, at that.

Violence is and has always been a large part of American culture and history; and it's nothing new either; it goes way back: the Revolution, killing Native Americans, the Slave Trade, the Civil War, killing more Native Americans, Prohibition, street gangs, the Roaring Twenties, organized crime, Civil Rights, The War on Drugs, etc, etc, etc... So murder, blood, and guts, is not a big deal, because in a way it tells how many Americans feel about different issues and actually gives us vicarious enjoyment because its something to relate to.

How they feel about different issues? What, kill them all and let God decide? That "yeah, we're cool with it because many of our biggest events involved lots and lots of death" - I would be worried about that, as I said. Something just seems wrong with a situation where killing is more understandable then a gay relationship. I mean really, why is that so hard to understand? Why can't a heterosexual understand? It's exactly the same as a heterosexual relationship only with some minor technical difference. They don't have secret handshakes. No weird cult like practices. It doesn't involve some weird and arcane knowledge known only to a few. They don't invoke Cthulhu.

They, and there emotions are no different to any body else.. It is not hard to understand.

Homosexuality, on the other hand, has never been a factor in American history and gays and "gayness" have never really contributed to American development. James Buchanan was "allegedly" gay ; and J. Edgar Hoover was the FBI Director for over 40 years. But they were in the closet. Hoover did a lot, but Buchanan's contributions were minimal. And yes, it's just plain weird and really unnatural to be gay to many Americans.

Are you saying that in all of the United States history there have only been two famous gays? And one of them you aren't sure of? You need to crack open a history book. You can if you like forget "alleged gays" (some believe Lincoln might have be a homosexual" if you like - there are plenty of others - scientists, authors, actors and so on. Many more then the two you listed.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Homosexuality, on the other hand, has never been a factor in American history and gays and "gayness" have never really contributed to American development. James Buchanan was "allegedly" gay ; and J. Edgar Hoover was the FBI Director for over 40 years. But they were in the closet. Hoover did a lot, but Buchanan's contributions were minimal. And yes, it's just plain weird and really unnatural to be gay to many Americans.

Homosexuals have contributed just as much to society as heterosexuals, but these individuals and their contributions have been systematically censored by heterosexism in western history.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
How they feel about different issues? What, kill them all and let God decide? That "yeah, we're cool with it because many of our biggest events involved lots and lots of death" - I would be worried about that, as I said. Something just seems wrong with a situation where killing is more understandable then a gay relationship. I mean really, why is that so hard to understand? Why can't a heterosexual understand? It's exactly the same as a heterosexual relationship only with some minor technical difference. They don't have secret handshakes. No weird cult like practices. It doesn't involve some weird and arcane knowledge known only to a few. They don't invoke Cthulhu.

They, and there emotions are no different to any body else.. It is not hard to understand.

Killing is more understandable to many Americans than a gay relationship because its far more familiar. Like I said, US history is written in blood. You're Australian, you guys hate guns, so obviously your point of view and ability to relate are very different.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Are you saying that in all of the United States history there have only been two famous gays? And one of them you aren't sure of? You need to crack open a history book. You can if you like forget "alleged gays" (some believe Lincoln might have be a homosexual" if you like - there are plenty of others - scientists, authors, actors and so on. Many more then the two you listed.

I hope you're not lecturing me on US history, because between the two of us, I believe I would be more wellrounded and knowledgable. I would never attempt to unload on you about Australian history. Those two gay men I chose to point out were prominent in political history; one was a president and the other was the FBI Director for over 40 years. I don't think the dad from The Brady Bunch or Richard Chamberlain have accomplishments that compare the other two I mentioned.

And Lincoln wasn't gay! That was probably started by some person who was just trying to cause some shit for laughs.