KJA is. And his name's on the book as well. And considering Dan was given leave by LFL on such an issue, yeah, he's the authority. Having KJA as his co-author backing him up on the issue sweetens the deal. Janus, does KJA co-writing the book where Ragnos is declared inferior to Sidious mean anything to you? Does the CREATOR of a character co-writing the book where his creation is inferior to Sidious just...invalid completely?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
KJA is.
That's right, he is. No one else. Congrats.
And his name's on the book as well.
No really? Can you show me what it was he contributed to the book specifically? Can you? Did he write or even oversee that Sidious article?
And considering Dan was given leave by LFL on such an issue, yeah, he's the authority.
Proof of this? Since when does LFL make the binding decisions on canon via REFERENCE MATERIAL that... uh, REFERENCES SOURCE MATERIAL?
Having KJA as his co-author backing him up on the issue sweetens the deal.
Not really. You still haven't shown us KJA's take on the subject, and we're already pointed out that reference materials can't contradict the source materials they're based on; if they do, that's a subjective opinion inserted by the author. Apparently, Dan Wallace was the Sidious fanboy in that duo, as he's supposively emailing you and your buddy that Sidious pwns all and is better.
Janus, does KJA co-writing the book where Ragnos is declared inferior to Sidious mean anything to you? Does the CREATOR of a character co-writing the book where his creation is inferior to Sidious just...invalid completely?
See above. This is not conclusive. It's a reference material. Nowhere does KJA say "Sidious > Ragnos". And a potentially faked email from Dan Wallace doesn't convince me either, especially since Dan Wallace knows ****all about Ragnos and isn't in a position to make that call because he's not the author!
Let me know when that sinks in.
And KJA co-wrote the book where Ragnos is inferior to Sidious, why does this mean so little to you? It was approved by LFL, it's C-canon.
And y'know, KJA only wrote the entire sections on the Ancient history of SW. In fact, I'll be glad to ask Dan, then print out the email and scan it.
And you know something? It IS Dan's call to make because he was given the authority by LFL and it wasn't swept up in the editing! In fact, Ragnos>Sidious isn't KJA's call to make! Where's Veitch's take on the subject?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And KJA co-wrote the book where Ragnos is inferior to Sidious, why does this mean so little to you? It was approved by LFL, it's C-canon.
You need to learn how to read. I already pointed out that what KJA worked on is in question, and the validity of a single sentence of hyperbolic claim made by a REFERENCE MATERIAL that is contradicted by other source material isn't binding. And the Episode III game is approved by LFL, asshat. That's also C-canon.
And y'know, KJA only wrote the entire sections on the Ancient history of SW. In fact, I'll be glad to ask Dan, then print out the email and scan it.
Are you that thick? Dan is not the authority here. If he IS, you need to establish that with something official and clear. You need to show us exactly how Dan gets full say and authority over KJA's creation. You're potentially false email isn't doing it.
And you know something? It IS Dan's call to make because he was given the authority by LFL and it wasn't swept up in the editing! In fact, Ragnos>Sidious isn't KJA's call to make! Where's Veitch's take on the subject?
By your logic, Veitch signed off on GAotSE and it wasn't "swept up in the editing", so the statement of Ragnos being THE most powerful of the most powerful is binding because it was approved by an author of DE!
Or would that ruin your stance?
Veitch says Sidious < Ragnos apparently. KJA definately says it. The only person contradicting the two authors and creators of DE Sidious and TOTJ Ragnos is.... Dan Wallace. Who has **** all for authority.
I think we're done here.
Except the game contradicts the movie, bumping it down some notches. Do you just twist things to suit you? And this isn't reference material. It. Is. a. Book.
And Dan is the author of this book, supported by LFL. That makes him a helluva lot more than Janus. And once more: SW authors do not own their characters, LFL does.
Except Ragnos being the most powerful was changed later and is never stated in the comic itself, so...wow, your point, is...well...screwed. Considering KJA only ever referred to that point in time, y'know, 5000 years prior. And by the way, you hypocrite, KJA signed off on the Chronology! So...why does it work for one way and not the other? Oh, right, because that's how you want it to work
Did you prove up like I asked? Did you address the points I had point in front of you? No. Just more irrelevant misdirection, you're specialty. You keep appealing to the authority of Dan Wallace without supporting it. You keep missing the obvious sarcasm behind the game remark. And you keep on mocking, because the one who looks the fool here is you. Adios, fanboy.
Stop your hypocritical bullshit and face up to something: Authors don't own their creations in the Star Wars franchise. KJA has killed off other authors' creations and so have Walter Jon Williams, Greg Keyes, Elaine Cunningham, John Luceno, Michael Stackpole and MANY others...What gives KJA ANY immunity?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Stop your hypocritical bullshit and face up to something: Authors don't own their creations in the Star Wars franchise. KJA has killed off other authors' creations and so have Walter Jon Williams, Greg Keyes, Elaine Cunningham, John Luceno, Michael Stackpole and MANY others...What gives KJA ANY immunity?
We are not talking about changing other people's creations (e.g. killing them). We're talking about the fact that Dan Wallace gives his own opinion about a character to you and you say "omg it's canon - Sidious pwns all" and this is bullshit because Dan Wallace doesn't have any authority over KJAs or Veitchs creations. Period.
And technically authors do own their own creations even in the SW universe because they own the copyrights of their stories including all characters. Technically Anderson could sue anybody using the names of his creations. The only one that has more authority than the creators of persons within the SW universe is Lucas himself. Is "Dan Wallace" now a synonym for "George Lucas" ? No ? Then Wallace's personal opinion means jack shit.
He didn't just give his opinion he wrote it down and it went through into the final product. And Dan wallace has authority over SW with his chronology because LFL gave it to him. His book is JUST as canon and unlike the others, makes a clear statement. the other don;t.
And actually, LFL owns the copyrights to the setting. Authors are stuck there. Just read my thread. And you notice KJA helped write the book where his creations are stated to be inferior? You're looking at a perspective where authors are the ultimate canon in this and it doesn't work. the company decides things, NOT the author