Juggernaut (vs) Champion · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Horrificus Senior Member

Originally posted by badabing
Thanks 😎

It was just an addition to this post.

diabloman Restricted

Originally posted by soujaboy09
So you post one scan of the fight to make it look like Juggernaut lost? thats funny.
First scan you have is when Juggernaut was acting like he was Hulk's dad, and didn't attack him. Hulk started to realize that he use to hate his father so he attacked Juggernaut when he was off guard. lets look at this part
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/hulkandjuggy3.jpg
Your second scan you again try, and make it seem as if War Hulk one the fight.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/theincrediblehulkv2457030tf.jpg
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Your 3rd scan is another fight you try to make it seem like Hulk defeated Juggernaut in a fight.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/theincrediblehulkv2457157az.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/juggernautih172b7jc.jpg
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which comic book is this one ? http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...utih172f0ap.jpg

KillAll Senior Member

Originally posted by Soleran
Indeed and Cains fighting skills aren't great he's just tough..............................Champion is tough and has crazy skills.
So regardless yes ok Juggernaut stays alive but for the most part he doesn't have the skill nor power to overtake and do much to Champion.

you are also forgetting that no matter how hard champion try's he could never stop juggernauts charge either. so as long as juggernaut is advancing, and fighting, champion is just going to "bounce" off him. this will also leave him vulnerable. need proof? check out thor vs. juggernaut. juggernaut cant really lay a hand on thor, unless he attacks. thor is usually setup, from his own attacks that fail. this would apply to Champion also.

KillAll Senior Member

Originally posted by Soleran
It certainly doesn't change the fact it happened huh? Just like when Thor God Blasted Juggernaught Thor was weak and having fainting spells......................

sure he HAD fainting spells... but that doesnt change the fact that thor (once he woke up from being knocked out) acknowledged that the dissiness fled from his limbs. in otherwords, he wasnt feeling week anymore. THEN he used his godblast (usually reserved when fighting, or any other trick fails).

Soleran Fast As Time

Originally posted by KillAll
you are also forgetting that no matter how hard champion try's he could never stop juggernauts charge either. so as long as juggernaut is advancing, and fighting, champion is just going to "bounce" off him. this will also leave him vulnerable. need proof? check out thor vs. juggernaut. juggernaut cant really lay a hand on thor, unless he attacks. thor is usually setup, from his own attacks that fail. this would apply to Champion also.

Juggernaut has been stopped by war hulk and thrown for that matter as well. Need proof just go back a page and click on a link I produced for you. Champion has the power Primordal which is as powerful or greater then cosmic power, he is immortal and cursed by death as well so he cannot die.

Juggernaut isn't immortal he will die eventually, Champion will get the win and in the mean time use Juggernaut as a punching bag. Lets face it Juggernaut may have a shield but he RARELY ever used it and I doubt he would often with Champion either.....................and even if he did it just stops the attacks so Champ rests or lifts the ground from under Juggernau and still throws him lol🙂

Champion >>>>>>>>Juggernaut.

soujaboy09 Restricted

Juggernaut doesn't have to use his shield not to be stopped. Have you really ever seen Juggernaut use his shield? Well in this fight he would because in the rules I stated it the he's extremely focused. This means if Juggernauts at his best that he can also use telepathy, release energy blast from his hands, tk, ext. These are some of the abilities a well written Juggernaut has shown us.

The War Hulk issue was meant to hype the title "War" up. If Juggernaut wanted to all he would have had to do is summon his force field.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Juggernaut doesn't have to use his shield not to be stopped. Have you really ever seen Juggernaut use his shield? Well in this fight he would because in the rules I stated it the he's extremely focused. This means if Juggernauts at his best that he can also use telepathy, release energy blast from his hands, tk, ext. These are some of the abilities a well written Juggernaut has shown us.
The War Hulk issue was meant to hype the title "War" up. If Juggernaut wanted to all he would have had to do is summon his force field.

Juggernaut has energy blasts, telepathy, and telekinesis? eer

soujaboy09 Restricted

He's always had energy blast, but the tk, and telepathy was fresh from the crimson cosmos.

who?-kid Senior Member

Champion is overrated, he always - or almost always - loses his fights. Juggernaut is, when well written, truly invulnerable and around the same power level as Champion (probably stronger imo).

Few people have beaten Juggernaut. He may be one dimensional, but he is a beast amongst the powerhouses.

Soleran Fast As Time

Originally posted by soujaboy09
He's always had energy blast, but the tk, and telepathy was fresh from the crimson cosmos.

He gave up those powers.................or better yet show me him using those powers. Since this is a focused Juggernaut.................I never asked is this Champ with the power gem?

Which by the way Jugg's isn't Immortal and he will lose simply for that fact................or did you guys just ignore that because you cannot show otherwise? Also Juggs cannot attack with his shield up so thats a moot point in a war of attrition its Champion on top.

soujaboy09 Restricted

What part of Juggernaut is the living embodiment of a god do you not understand? This means that Juggernaut cannot be hurt, he doesn't need to eat, breath, drink, use the bathroom, ext. He isn't bound by time or physics, and he can do whatever the fu<k Cyttorak wants him to do. If you haven't noticed Cyttorak doesn't care how much power Cain has, or what Cain does for that matter. As long as Juggernaut spreads Cyttoraks fame, he can do whatever the fu<k he wants.

He didn't give up those powers, he was just able to use the telepathy, and tk fresh out of the Crimson Cosmos. The energy blast he used against the x men. It's just writers forget about these powers.

The scan you gave us with Juggernaut getting old is when he was trapped in an alternate reality. When Cyttorak brought him back he restored his youth, and gave him seemingly immortality.

soujaboy09 Restricted

Oh is this the great Champion that you have preached to us about?

So champion can die? read the last few scans

Soleran Fast As Time

Did you post those scans just to defeat yourself. LOL Those are the same shields he broke though that helped Thanos take a shot from Galactus and live, he broke them. He BLEW up a planet with one shot! He survived the Destruction of said planet. He is immortal and since then cursed by death to NOT EVER DIE.

Then you conveniently show everyone his massive power WHICH is FAR beyond anything Juggs.

Yes that scan there best describes your approach on this subject.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thanos%20Feats/cha100ll.jpg

Juggernaut has been tossed around by the Hulk and hurt by others. Cyttorak has never given Juggs unlimited anything except durability. I have proven he ages.........therfore this Elder once again gets a punching bag until Cain dies of old age. Thank you school is out now

PS those scans really did just defeat your entire purpose.

KillAll Senior Member

Originally posted by Soleran
He gave up those powers.................or better yet show me him using those powers. Since this is a focused Juggernaut.................I never asked is this Champ with the power gem?

juggernaut has fired more than one kind of energy from his hand. more like a forgotten power, rather than lost. i doubt he would use it, even if he had the option in a fight. he's a brawler.

Originally posted by Soleran
Which by the way Jugg's isn't Immortal and he will lose simply for that fact................or did you guys just ignore that because you cannot show otherwise?

the "juggernaut" is a spell, it is here to plague the earth "forever more". cain is this human juggernaut. he will be alive until the power is stripped from him. kind of like wendigo. you should be trying to disprove this rather than us trying to prove it. since most of what you say is false anyway. such as champion not being able to die 😉

Originally posted by Soleran
Also Juggs cannot attack with his shield up so thats a moot point in a war of attrition its Champion on top.

actually he can. he did in early x-men in one of his first appearances. when something is flying at him at extreme speeds, he can activate his forcefield and send it flying in the other direction. sounds like an offensive/defensive move at the same time. doesnt get much better than that.

Originally posted by Soleran
Juggernaut has been stopped by war hulk and thrown for that matter as well. Need proof just go back a page and click on a link I produced for you.

i would but i own the comic, and i'm aware of the actual events that take place. but you however, are not. i can tell by your post stating the "obvious" but innaccurate. war hulk didnt stop juggernaut with physical force. its very apparent what happens. please take a look at the scans yourself. war hulk was funneling energy from an alternate universe (created by franklin richards). Juggernauts Powers are based on the laws of THIS reality. they didnt funciton against that alternate dimensional energy hulk engulfed himself in. therefor, hulks ENERGY stopped juggernaut, not hulk himself. dont believe me? look at hulk and the energy that completely takes over his body in the issue you try and use against me for your arguement.

Originally posted by Soleran

Champion has the power Primordal which is as powerful or greater then cosmic power, he is immortal and cursed by death as well so he cannot die.

then why has surfer put up a fight against champion??? this is pure speculation. its like saying that magic is better than power cosmic or power primordial (which i believe because it has no set rules to follow). but no way to KNOW for sure which is the better of the 3.

Originally posted by Soleran

Juggernaut isn't immortal he will die eventually, Champion will get the win and in the mean time use Juggernaut as a punching bag.

pretty much impossible, as for reasons i've stated before. champion is very much based on this dimension, and cant stop juggernaut (like war did). if you ask me, champion will be the punching bag and find an opponent in juggernaut that he's never found before. eventually his frustration will mount, and he will get sloppy, because he cant even HURT nor MOVE juggernaut when he doesnt wish to be 😉

Originally posted by Soleran
Lets face it Juggernaut may have a shield but he RARELY ever used it and I doubt he would often with Champion either.....................and even if he did it just stops the attacks so Champ rests or lifts the ground from under Juggernau and still throws him lol🙂

poor tactics arent going to get him a win... lol. so ur big solution is throwing the ground with juggernaut on it?? what if juggernaut smashs the ground as champion is lifting it (he's more than capable). then ur point is still moot.

Originally posted by Soleran

Champion <<<<<<<<Juggernaut.

i agree 😄

Soleran Fast As Time

Originally posted by KillAll
juggernaut has fired more than one kind of energy from his hand. more like a forgotten power, rather than lost. i doubt he would use it, even if he had the option in a fight. he's a brawler.
the "juggernaut" is a spell, it is here to plague the earth "forever more". cain is this human juggernaut. he will be alive until the power is stripped from him. kind of like wendigo. you should be trying to disprove this rather than us trying to prove it. since most of what you say is false anyway. such as champion not being able to die 😉
actually he can. he did in early x-men in one of his first appearances. when something is flying at him at extreme speeds, he can't activate his forcefield. Sounds like an offensive/defensive move at the same time. doesnt get much better than that.

I was going to take the time to do a well thought out response and I was reminded of the fact the entire fight with Thanos is poseted above me. Thanos the guy that stands up to Odin, Tyrant and such.............guys that wouldn't think twice about smashing Juggs.

KillAll Senior Member

Originally posted by Soleran
Did you post those scans just to defeat yourself. LOL Those are the same shields he broke though that helped Thanos take a shot from Galactus and live, he broke them. He BLEW up a planet with one shot! He survived the Destruction of said planet. He is immortal and since then cursed by death to NOT EVER DIE.
Then you conveniently show everyone his massive power WHICH is FAR beyond anything Juggs.
Yes that scan there best describes your approach on this subject.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thanos%20Feats/cha100ll.jpg
Juggernaut has been tossed around by the Hulk and hurt by others. Cyttorak has never given Juggs unlimited anything except durability. I have proven he ages.........therfore this Elder once again gets a punching bag until Cain dies of old age. Thank you school is out now
PS those scans really did just defeat your entire purpose.

you proved juggernaut ages?? well in certain scenarios he does. the same with why war hulk was able to stop juggernaut. every time (almost) that juggernaut begins traversing certain dimensions he starts to lose his connection with cyttorak. the beast story was retconned, he aged because he lost his power, which was quickly taken care of lol. so that point is moot. he has also aged rapidly once in another dimension. the dimensions "sorcerer" didnt want juggernaut there so he began to cut him off from his mystic connection and age him rapidly. needless to say when juggernaut returned to where his power functions 100% he was normal (as shown when stripped to the bone also). which would suggest that the power DE-ages him. hmmm... think about it.

KillAll Senior Member

Originally posted by Soleran
I was going to take the time to do a well thought out response and I was reminded of the fact the entire fight with Thanos is poseted above me. Thanos the guy that stands up to Odin, Tyrant and such.............guys that wouldn't think twice about smashing Juggs.

thanos is in the same boat as juggernaut of sorts. he really stands no chance against odin, tyrant or galactus. but he lasts because hes durable. juggernaut would out-do thanos in this category, and do just as well as him against any of them (absorbing thier blasts n such). except odin. because odin can cut juggernaut off from his mystic connection. if odin didnt do this however, he would stand no more of a chance against juggernaut, than he did against mangog, or thanos.

Soleran Fast As Time

Originally posted by KillAll
you proved juggernaut ages?? well in certain scenarios he does. the same with why war hulk was able to stop juggernaut. every time (almost) that juggernaut begins traversing certain dimensions he starts to lose his connection with cyttorak. the beast story was retconned, he aged because he lost his power, which was quickly taken care of lol. so that point is moot. he has also aged rapidly once in another dimension. the dimensions "sorcerer" didnt want juggernaut there so he began to cut him off from his mystic connection and age him rapidly. needless to say when juggernaut returned to where his power functions 100% he was normal (as shown when stripped to the bone also). which would suggest that the power DE-ages him. hmmm... think about it.

Beast ripped off his helmet and his hatred turned to fear! He aged and ran away...............The dimension made a deal to give him back his youth if Juggs gave up his knowledge of the Crimson cosmos (ala hand beams for you Juggs newbs) and return him to his home. He isn't immortal at ALL. Get your stories powers right.

Regardless Juggs just becomes a punching bag so unless you can show me his power is significantly greater then Champions in his focused form then it doesn't matter. Unless you can show me where Juggs has enough h2h to deal with Champion then just your just babbling. So what these 2 can live forever 2 bad cain has to be a biotch.

soujaboy09 Restricted

Originally posted by Soleran
I was going to take the time to do a well thought out response and I was reminded of the fact the entire fight with Thanos is poseted above me. Thanos the guy that stands up to Odin, Tyrant and such.............guys that wouldn't think twice about smashing Juggs.

If you haven't noticed, Juggernauts shield is stronger than Thanos. In fact Juggernaut is stronger than Thanos, physically way stronger. In those scans we saw that Champion was being beat "physically" something that has never been done to Juggernaut.

You lied when you stated that Juggernaut has been hurt before. If you can name a time when Juggernaut has been damaged by anyone I would appreciate it. You just don't get that Juggernaut cant be hurt

Tshern Protein-man

In fact Juggernaut is stronger than Thanos, physically way stronger

Righto.