Juggernaut (vs) Champion

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Have you ever read the inscription on the Gem of Cyttorak? hold on I might be able to find it for you.

"Whosoever touches this gem shall be granted the power of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak! Henceforth, you who read these words, shall become ... forevermore ... a human juggernaut!".

Ok what does forever mean? here I can find that for you to

for·ev·er (fôr-ĕv'ər, fər-)
adv.
1.For everlasting time; eternally: can live forever.
2.At all times; incessantly: was forever complaining about the job.

That should be enough for you

How is Juggernaut not stronger than Thanos? when did Thaos strength become unlimited? I dont know why I have to keep telling you but Juggernaut is far stronger than even Thor. There only one feat that I need to tell you that describes thor's strength. "Midgard serpent" yea the snake that wrapped around the world twice.

You see, Thats Thor at full strength with his belt that doubles his strength, nearly being killed by Juggernaut with a hug.

I am with you. He is limitless power, immortal and everlasting.
War Hulk did nothing to him, and only the Celestial technology caused him problems. Not a certain incarnation of Hulk.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Um, didn't it prove that Juggs was immortal, when he was just a skeleton, yet kept fighting?
HHMMM?

No it showed him to be invincible....................not immortal, its been shown he isn't immortal.

LOL He never nearly died when Thanos threw him at the planet, you do realise he survived a planet blowing up he was fine and ready to fight asap, or did you ignore that as well?

8th day Juggernaut isn't the typical Classic Juggernaut he was being driven with a purpose specifically by Cytorrak go back and reread Avengers 3rd edition what 23-26...........thanks.

Wait you keep asking for scans that I have shown.............wake up. So once again in Marvel things go around this little thing called hyperbole as in Odin has infinitie power(which he doesn't) Juggs isn't immortal what so ever......................by the way the other Templars rocked Juggs and were going to kill him if not for Capt A and the Avengers.

whats your point of making these claims? this helps champ give up faster since he is indestructable and if he isnt immortal as you say why do you say he will be champs eternal punching bag how do you do that if your not immortal, anyway champ cant even take on the thing, she hulk, thanos, or surfer, he will not defeat the juggernaut why are you going on with your defense of the champion.

Originally posted by Mider
whats your point of making these claims? this helps champ give up faster since he is indestructable and if he isnt immortal as you say why do you say he will be champs eternal punching bag how do you do that if your not immortal, anyway champ cant even take on the thing, she hulk, thanos, or surfer, he will not defeat the juggernaut why are you going on with your defense of the champion.

Champion let thing live because he doesn't kill his opponents, know much about Champion?

Champion CANNOT die period he is cursed by Death herself who is LEAGUES above Cyttorak.

Now back to the fact 8th day juggs isn't regular classic juggs.

Originally posted by Soleran
No it showed him to be invincible....................not immortal, its been shown he isn't immortal.

LOL He never nearly died when Thanos threw him at the planet, you do realise he survived a planet blowing up he was fine and ready to fight asap, or did you ignore that as well?

8th day Juggernaut isn't the typical Classic Juggernaut he was being driven with a purpose specifically by Cytorrak go back and reread Avengers 3rd edition what 23-26...........thanks.

Wait you keep asking for scans that I have shown.............wake up. So once again in Marvel things go around this little thing called hyperbole as in Odin has infinitie power(which he doesn't) Juggs isn't immortal what so ever......................by the way the other Templars rocked Juggs and were going to kill him if not for Capt A and the Avengers.

Yet Juggernaut saved the whole Avengers team, and the world by defeating those same exemplars that knocked him down a bit.

Why do I need to go reread the comic, if the writer stated himself that Juggernauts power is limitless? btw if Juggernaut would have been driven by Cyttorak the whole time then the world would be under his control right now.

Originally posted by Soleran
Champion let thing live because he doesn't kill his opponents, know much about Champion?

Champion CANNOT die period he is cursed by Death herself who is LEAGUES above Cyttorak.

Now back to the fact 8th day juggs isn't regular classic juggs.

He might have let Thing live, but he also said that Thing was giving him the fight that he had been waiting for for years. Which means that Thing was giving him a good fight, get it? Juggernaut ko'd Thing in 3 punches, sound like a good match to you?

How do you figure that Death is leagues above Cyttorak if her brother Eternity couldn't get rid of him?

8th day Juggernaut is Classic Juggernaut, because if he wasn't then the world would be under control of one of the 8 exemplars. That is what the whole purpose of the contest was. Maybe you should read the series over.

Originally posted by Soleran
No it showed him to be invincible....................not immortal, its been shown he isn't immortal.

LOL He never nearly died when Thanos threw him at the planet, you do realise he survived a planet blowing up he was fine and ready to fight asap, or did you ignore that as well?

8th day Juggernaut isn't the typical Classic Juggernaut he was being driven with a purpose specifically by Cytorrak go back and reread Avengers 3rd edition what 23-26...........thanks.

Wait you keep asking for scans that I have shown.............wake up. So once again in Marvel things go around this little thing called hyperbole as in Odin has infinitie power(which he doesn't) Juggs isn't immortal what so ever......................by the way the other Templars rocked Juggs and were going to kill him if not for Capt A and the Avengers.

I thought that when you are only bones, you are supposed to die.
And, if you aren't dead, and you are fighting and talking, that you are alive, even though you are dead.
Meaning you can't seem to die. Like being immortal?

Invincible= incapable of being harmed, like incapable of having the flesh ripped from his bones to begin with. (DON"T USE THIS TO FUEL YOUR ARGUMENT! D'Spayre had drained some of his powers during that fight, normally it would take a hell of alot more than that.)

Immortal= you never die. AKA: you could have all the pain, disease, harm, ect visited upon your body but would never die from it.

Juggernaut happens to be both these things.

Champion

I don't see Juggs jumping into the air and changing his direction to speeding downwards faster then he jumped and destorying a planet with a single punch... and surviving it... and floating in space...

Originally posted by Milkie
Champion

I don't see Juggs jumping into the air and changing his direction to speeding downwards faster then he jumped and destorying a planet with a single punch... and surviving it... and floating in space...

Originally posted by Milkie
Champion

I don't see Juggs jumping into the air and changing his direction to speeding downwards faster then he jumped and destorying a planet with a single punch... and surviving it... and floating in space...

But, that doesn't mean anything.
As I stated earlier, there are plenty of beings who arguably have the ability to destroy the world with one blow. But, they never have.
Surfer.
Thor.
Hercules.
Midgard Serpent.
Graviton.
Magneto. Possibly by effecting the iron core.
Molecule Man.
Hyperion.
And, yes, Juggernaut.

Ben Grim can't even come close to a feat like that, yet he shattered the ribs of Champion.

That's called bad writing

Juggs loses even if he can do it.

Champion has him between the ropes man

Originally posted by Horrificus
Ben Grim can't even come close to a feat like that, yet he shattered the ribs of Champion. [/B]

Thing is a better fighter than most muscle-heads so I can certainly see why he broke his ribs. Guarantee he could do the same to Juggernaut if he took of his armor.

Originally posted by Psyquis52
Thing is a better fighter than most muscle-heads so I can certainly see why he broke his ribs. Guarantee he could do the same to Juggernaut if he took of his armor.

leagues about cyttorak where do you get this info the magic marvel fairie? she cant even handle the grandmaster

Originally posted by badabing
I feel a shit storm coming from the Juggernaut fans. It's nice to see Ben get some props.

Ben deserves super props and I'm sick of him getting the short end of the stick here. There's a reason Marvel always had him going toe to toe with Hulk. People need to stop getting all bent out of shape about strength levels.

Juggernauts armor doesn't make him invulnerable, did you see what happened when D'Spayre burned everything even the armor from his body?

I keep saying that Juggernaut has military training, which means he can fight better than most.

How can you have bad writing for a character in their first appearance? Thing broke Champions ribs in the Champs first appearance.

You saw what Thing did against Juggernaut, and you saw what he did against Champion. Against Juggernaut he got put down in 3 punches, he made Champion say that he had one of his best fights ever.

Originally posted by Soleran
I have already asked that 2 times now..............Once again though Cain has never shown a feat higher then Champions destroying Thanos shield without a power gem and destrying a planet without power gem.

thanos was trying to get the power gem from champion when champion busted the planet. didnt have the power gem??

Originally posted by Soleran
I have seen juggs up against the wall with his old buddy Tom sucking the life out of him and there he was certainly hurting as well............

even IF champion could do this (he cant) he would have a harder time than tom anyway. juggernaut wasnt trying to hurt tom, he was trying to save him. also, this is post onslaught, when juggernaut got hurt at every turn of the page.

Originally posted by Soleran
As well as the Exemplars busted his arse up badly until the Avengers came to help him.

once again you are backward. the exemplars did NOTHING to juggernaut. except bedlam. which happens to be an extremely powerful telepath. juggernaut mowed down the other exemplars rather easily.

Originally posted by Soleran
Once again knocked out as well after Nimrod Knocks off his helmet and knocks him out..................

this was also a telepathic (despite coming from a machine) attack.

Originally posted by Soleran
Juggs has been stopped in the past sorry but its the truth, just not one that you like to hear. LOL Venom pimped slapped Juggs away and Juggs wouldn't even hurt him...............pfft yeah look out Champion.

juggernaut ***** slapped venom, are you kidding??? are you saying champion hasnt ever lost a fight??? riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

juggernaut has also never been "physically" stopped. try to stay with me. physically. there are always ways around somebodies power (such as iceman and heat, juggernaut and magics, or human torch and water). nobody is immune to defeat. not even champion.

Originally posted by Soleran
You know I would post more scans but you just cry PIS, I have posted showings of Juggs being thrown by hulk, being dropped to his knees by professor hulk, Venom slapping him away, War Hulk throwing him. All scans I brought to the table.

and everything you just mentioned has a cirtaint circumstance behind it that allowed it to happen. hulk didnt win by "throwing" juggernaut. he simply had a good hold and threw a 900lbs object. juggernaut was more than willing to keep going. interference allowed for a defeat. not hulk. same situation with the second hulk reference. venom "slapping" juggernaut away, well thats because in issue 3, juggernaut had developed feelings for a woman that showed him that he as a monster (of sorts) could still be loved. or cared for. the way that the woman cared for venom. so when she yells to stop fighting, he does just that. and its an amped up venom... hmmm.. also, juggernaut threw war hulk, does that make him a winner also in the same fight???

Originally posted by Soleran

Its time you stop saying what I haven't done and start to show me where a Classic Juggs has been able to take on a low Sky father powered who is mastered all h2h in the universe for over 2 billion years a being who is Immortal by virtue of fighting and being cursed by death to immortality with the Power Primordal.

power primordial is rather moot. it hasnt did much since its appearance. mind showing me wear it HAS??? juggernaut has also buckled the stranger (galactus/watcher level bieng) with a single punch. juggernaut is more than capable of physically holding his own with champion. you just arent willing to admit it. he is also more than capable of buckling whole dimensions with his fist. i'm sure champion could do that 😉.... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Originally posted by Soleran
This is Classic Juggs and you keep throwing in 8th day, Classic........show me.
😉

8th day, and "classic" juggernaut are the same thing. prove otherwise 😉

ALSO, THE SCORE ON THE POLLS PROVE THEMSELVES 😄

Skip the poles, I have proved all of his claims, and situations he brings up wrong, and he has no answer for what I post. The fact that you cant tell why Thing gave Champion a good fight, yet got put down by Juggernaut in 3 attacks tells all.

in all honesty, thing was fighting for the fate of the entire planet in that issue.

against juggernaut he was fighting for 1 man, that didnt really need saving in the first place.

not that it matters, juggernaut was serious, and thing would have been put down anyway.