Superboy Prime vs. Silver Surfer · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Templares
Yeah. Viva la diference.
But Johns apparently forgot about it. Which leads to the question why did the Flashes dump him near a red sun? Why did it took years for him to get back? If red sunlight doesnt affect him then why did he have to create the armor? In the context of IC#6, red sunlight affects SBP.
Which makes it a viable tactic for the Surfer touse against him, along with intangibility and transmuting SBP's armor into something detrimental to him.

For the same reason that Batman tried to use a Knite ring on E2 Supes. They didn't know any better and tried what they thought was a sure fire weakness. The years thing is subjective. Time works differently in the speed force. They thought they could get rid of him, and obviously it didn't work.

Wally West Fastest Man Alive

Originally posted by Validus
And Flash is faster than Surfer. 😉

Which feats do you base that on? Outrunning Death?

Thunderstrike Restricted

Originally posted by B dot Rob
SBP was able to hit the Flash who runs circles around the Silver Surfer

Wha? When in IC has he hit the Flash? They threw him into the speed force.

B dot Rob Restricted

Outrunning Instantaneous movement 🤨

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
This isn't Sentry vs SBP. This is Silver Surfer vs SBP. Stick to topic. Also, if what is said about his power is true, then more than likely he's just as if not more so than Superman. Galactus has less feats than Superman. Can Superman beat Galactus? Stick to topic.

Terrible analogy. Galactus and Superman aren't analogous characters so thats completely different. The only thing Hyperion has to put him on the top tier is an excerpt from JMS pitching Supreme Power to the powers that be. Apparently thats enough for you to say he can beat Superman yet Prime speedblitzing three Flashes isn't enough to prove his speed? Being able to physically affect the Phantom Zone isn't enough to show he can resist transmutation, at least to some degree? Your dislike of the S symbol is shining through.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
And I agreed with you. But SBP is not faster than the Flash, so what the hell does that have to do with anything?

Could Surfer speedblitz 3 Flashes? No? Ok then. Travel speed is much less important than fighting speed.

Thunderstrike Restricted

Originally posted by Validus
Could Surfer speedblitz 3 Flashes? No? Ok then. Travel speed is much less important than fighting speed.

Uh, SBP didn't speeblitz three flashes. In fact, it's LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE CONSIDERING THEY CHUCKED HIM INTO THE SPEED FORCE!

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Uh, SBP didn't speeblitz three flashes. In fact, it's LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE CONSIDERING THEY CHUCKED HIM INTO THE SPEED FORCE!

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B dot Rob Restricted

Lol I love that panel because he sounded so tongue-and-cheek when he did it.

Like hay guyz i'm fast too

Thunderstrike Restricted

Ahem
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He's faster than who?

Templares Sleep Deprived

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
For the same reason that Batman tried to use a Knite ring on E2 Supes. They didn't know any better and tried what they thought was a sure fire weakness. The years thing is subjective. Time works differently in the speed force. They thought they could get rid of him, and obviously it didn't work.

The keyword here is that for SBP it took years for him to escape even though he was just gone by several hours in our time. In addition, his stay in the red sun compelled him to create his armor which means the environment somehow contradicts the previous notion of him being immune to red sunlight.

On a different note, where the heck was he imprisoned? In another Earth?

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Wally West
Which feats do you base that on? Outrunning Death?

1. Faster reaction feats (reacting in one femtosecond and doing it casually)
2. Stretching a second to a millenia
3. Time travel feats (superior to Surfers)
4. Speed stealing
5. No top speed

Yeah, in a race to the local McDonalds Surfer will probably win but once Wally really gets going, he has no limit to his speed.

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Ahem
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He's faster than who?

The 3 guys he just casually speedblitzed as I showed you. 😉

The Flashes had to take him by surprise to pull that off since on the page before he was busy killing Titans. Face to face he was beating them senseless. A Flash would have to amp for a decent amount of time to reach that level of raw speed.

Thunderstrike Restricted

He hit them once, Validus. One hit does not dictate he's got the uppper hand. I'm guessing if I walked up and hit Superman in the face once, and he didn't hit me back, I beat Superman. Give me a break. Also, just because you hit something doesn't mean you're faster than it either. Are you gonna say Doomsday is faster than Superman?

B dot Rob Restricted

All it takes is one hit for SBP to slap the Silver off the Surfer

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
He hit them once, Validus. One hit does not dictate he's got the uppper hand. I'm guessing if I walked up and hit Superman in the face once, and he didn't hit me back, I beat Superman. Give me a break. Also, just because you hit something doesn't mean you're faster than it either. Are you gonna say Doomsday is faster than Superman?

That's awful. How is that in anyway relevant to Prime catching Wally, Jay, and Bart completely by surprise his speed? They were ready to pound him to crap for what he did to Conner. You act like they ran up to him, stopped and let him punch them all in the face countless times since the art depicts Prime in blur.

Doomsday being faster than Superman is not a debate I want to get into. However Superman did mention he had trouble keeping up with Doomsday so by Superman's own word, Doomsday is fast.

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The point I'm trying to make here is that you don't have to be faster to catch someone. I'm not saying SBP isn't fast. I'm saying that Flash is much faster than he is. Think of whenever Spidey tags Quicksilver. We know that Spidey can't run as fast, but he's got the reflexes to hit him. Do you see where I'm getting at?

B dot Rob Restricted

So basically SBP can be slower then the Flashes and hit them but he can't be slower then the Surfer to hit him?

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Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
The point I'm trying to make here is that you don't have to be faster to catch someone. I'm not saying SBP isn't fast. I'm saying that Flash is much faster than he is. Think of whenever Spidey tags Quicksilver. We know that Spidey can't run as fast, but he's got the reflexes to hit him. Do you see where I'm getting at?

The point I'm trying to make is SBP is fast enough to consistently tag Flashes multiple times and is thus fast enough to tag Surfer. I don't think I'm stretching here.

Wally West Fastest Man Alive

Originally posted by Validus
1. Faster reaction feats (reacting in one femtosecond and doing it casually)
2. Stretching a second to a millenia
3. Time travel feats (superior to Surfers)
4. Speed stealing
5. No top speed
Yeah, in a race to the local McDonalds Surfer will probably win but once Wally really gets going, he has no limit to his speed.

Well I don't consider time travel or speed stealing examples of someone being faster than another. Surfer has plenty of good reaction feats, perhaps not ones stating explicitly how fast he is reacting but if someone can move a lightyear in a couple of seconds, their reactions can't be that bad.

I don't believe I've ever seen anything say Silver Surfer has a top speed either, and if Flash didn't have a top speed then why couldn't he catch up to Zoom when he was pushing himself to his limits? The best he could do was get within reach to push him in the back. The only time he was as fast as Zoom was when he stole the speed of other speedsters.

Thunderstrike Restricted

Originally posted by Validus
The point I'm trying to make is SBP is fast enough to consistently tag Flashes multiple times and is thus fast enough to tag Surfer. I don't think I'm stretching here.

I never argued, at least I don't think, that the Surfer could physicall beat SBP. However, I've said that there's alternatives, and that Surfer is considerably quicker, meaning he can fly faster. That's really just about it.