Out of interest, I'm not sure Nadd was too great a fighter himself. He left with...incomplete training. And Sidious, by DE, is pretty much declared the living avatar of the Dark side. Hell, in the chronology, he's called the mightiest Sith Lord in history. He's got a lot of powers Nadd's never seen before and couldn't anticipate
Actually, it's not an RPG sorucebook and once again: your opinion determines NOTHING, LFL's stance? It is official, you are not. Sourcebooks have retconned numerous things and their information was used in the books. I don't see you complaining when KJA was writing those references that you seem to use in your arguments. In fact, that reference made Revan lightside and the Sith Empire 2000 years old by time of collapse. Both of which accepted and acknowledged by Leland Chee. Dark Emprie and Empire's End, before and After TOTJ, support Palpatine's status.
And according to the Holocron: C-canon is primarily comprised of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.
LFL = The creators of Star Wars and they published this, retconning some things and clarifying others. Especially as how The Dark Side Sourcebook brought to light numerous things, sourcebooks brought out much more on the subjects of things like Lumiya, and Tremayne and Lord Cronal, all established characters...Jerec and his men, Arden Lyn, numerous Jedi...even things on the Ancient Sith and Kun, when TOTJ sourcebook was written by KJA...who wrote the original Chronology with dan Wallace...no objections then when it was creating canon.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
[B]Actually, it's not an RPG sorucebook and once again: your opinion determines NOTHING, LFL's stance? It is official, you are not. Sourcebooks have retconned numerous things and their information was used in the books. I don't see you complaining when KJA was writing those references that you seem to use in your arguments. In fact, that reference made Revan lightside and the Sith Empire 2000 years old by time of collapse. Both of which accepted and acknowledged by Leland Chee. Dark Emprie and Empire's End, before and After TOTJ, support Palpatine's status.
Still you didn't get it. TOTJ was written after DE and Veitch (the creator of DE) participated in that. Now he and Anderson - who are responsible for every Ancient Sith appearing in the SW universe labelled Marka Ragnos "the Sith Lord" and "the most powerful of the most powerful" in the "Golden Age" of the Sith.
And you failed to provide a link to Leland Chee's acknowledgement several times, dude.
And according to the Holocron: C-canon is primarily comprised of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.
Uh-hu. The problem is that Sidious as the "most powerful" is not part of any story - in fact that statement is contradicted by the actual stories.
LFL = The creators of Star Wars and they published this, retconning some things and clarifying others. Especially as how The Dark Side Sourcebook brought to light numerous things, sourcebooks brought out much more on the subjects of things like Lumiya, and Tremayne and Lord Cronal, all established characters...Jerec and his men, Arden Lyn, numerous Jedi...even things on the Ancient Sith and Kun, when TOTJ sourcebook was written by KJA...who wrote the original Chronology with dan Wallace...no objections then when it was creating canon.
Dark Side Sourcebook = WotC and not LFL - sorry.
Maybe you should have a careful look at the word "sourcebook" and maybe you'll find out why those things can't create canon or contradict things in the actual storyline.
And Empire's End was written after TOTJ, the NEC was written after TOTJ. And Palp's status as strongest is certainly part of DE and remains uncontradicted. It's outright confirmed now, actually. Essential Chronology is no sourcebook and the LFL logo is right there
Fine, Leland's acknowledgment of several matters. And by the way, RPG sourcebooks? Story info goes, it's C canon according to Mr. Chee and is right on his Blog.
Firstly:
The Holocron is divided into 4 levels: G-canon, C-canon, S-canon, and N-canon.
G-canon is absolute canon; the movies (their most recent release), the scripts, the novelizations of the movies, the radio plays, and any statements by George Lucas himself. G-canon always overrides the lower levels of canon when there is a contradiction. Within G-canon, many fans follow an unofficial progression of canonicity where the movies are the highest canon, followed by the scripts, the novelizations, and then the radio plays.
C-canon is primarily comprised of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.
S-canon is "secondary" canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the popular online roleplaying game Star Wars: Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.
N-canon is "non-canon". What-if stories (such as stories published under the Star Wars: Infinities label), game stats, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=152583&start=0645
Leland Acknowledging the retcon to Sith History.
"Anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered â€G†canon. Next we have what we call continuity â€C†canon which is pretty much everything else. There is secondary â€S†continuity canon which we use for some older published materials and things that may or may not fit just right. [...] Lastly there is non-continuity â€N†which we rarely use except in the case of a blatant contradiction or for things that have been cut."
"By everything else I mean EVERYthing else. Novels, comics, junior novels, videogames, trading card games, roleplaying games, toys, websites, television."»
http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWCanon2.html#III-Canon
See? And Ragnos is never, EVER called the strongest Sith who ever lived.
And before anyone tries: The films are the highest source of canon and overwrite literally everything else, but there's a level of precedence and retcons have occured before. Dan Wallace himself said Palp> All
You refuted an official statement from a book by LFL and the statement that books by LFL are C canon, thus making them EU continuity?
Once again...from the link, from Wookie an from Leland Chee:
C-canon is primarily comprised of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.
See, Janus? Note that RPG sourcebooks bit? the stories and general background info are C canon? Notice how the chronology is a BOOK? and NOT an RPG sourcebook? Notice that same official source states that Palpatine> All Sith? Ok, then.