Karnak VS. Batman... Hand to hand combat!!!

Originally posted by darthgoober
You mean the same Karnak that soloed Crystal(and several other Inhumans) in one of those encounters, and also has the whole Surfer/armbar to his credit?

Point is just because it did happen, doesn't mean it SHOULD have happened. Karnak has a definite strength and durability advantage, and possibly has a speed advantage as well(not to mention his capacity for one hit KO's). I'm not saying that Bats can't pull an upset or two, but I see Karnak pulling the majority if he's not jobbing.

You can call it jobbing all you like, but you aren't reconciling all the evidence, goob. He has some insane feats to his credit - but so does batman.

And, Batman has a much MUCH better track record against credible martial artists.

Karnak SHOULD be faster and stronger than T'Challa. He should stomp T'challa in a melee fight - but he doesn't. There's a reason for that, and it's that reason that will make him lose to Batman here.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It's better then what I here from karnak supporters.........which is simply " he can see weak points so he wins"

what kind of cop out is that. it not even that effective vs skilled MA's

Karnaks ability extends far beyond seeing weak points. Most skilled MA don't see "Weak Points" Like Karnak, instead they have a knowledge of the human anatomy from their many years of training in combat, therefore they know where to strike to do the most damage, or how to hold/throw someone, or even take advantage of a weakness in an opponents defense.

Karnak can do much more with his power, on top of that, he is stronger/faster/more agile then batman.

Im not saying Karnak would take the majority, im undecided right now, Im just saying, ABC logic shouldn't dictate the win.

Originally posted by Soljer

Karnak SHOULD be faster and stronger than T'Challa. He should stomp T'challa in a melee fight - but he doesn't. There's a reason for that, and it's that reason that will make him lose to Batman here.

Because T'challa is much faster, that is all.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Karnaks ability extends far beyond seeing weak points. Most skilled MA don't see "Weak Points" Like Karnak, instead they have a knowledge of the human anatomy from their many years of training in combat, therefore they know where to strike to do the most damage, or how to hold/throw someone, or even take advantage of a weakness in an opponents defense.

Karnak can do much more with his power, on top of that, he is stronger/faster/more agile then batman.

Im not saying Karnak would take the majority, im undecided right now, Im just saying, ABC logic shouldn't dictate the win.

karnak ability is good, but vs op tier and second tier fighters it really not that effective.

he really has no agility or speed feats that give him an edge over batman.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You mean the same Karnak that soloed Crystal(and several other Inhumans) in one of those encounters, and also has the whole Surfer/armbar to his credit?

You mena the same "Black Panther" right?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Because T'challa is much faster, that is all.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
black panther speed advantage over batman really is not much.

I was saying he was faster then Karnak, but I guess he is faster then batman also.

Originally posted by Soljer
You can call it jobbing all you like, but you aren't reconciling all the evidence, goob. He has some insane feats to his credit - but so does batman.

And, Batman has a much MUCH better track record against credible martial artists.

Karnak SHOULD be faster and stronger than T'Challa. He should stomp T'challa in a melee fight - but he doesn't. There's a reason for that, and it's that reason that will make him lose to Batman here.

And what do you mean he SHOULD be much stronger/faster? Karnak has the feats to support his being Bats physical superior.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I was saying he was faster then Karnak, but I guess he is faster then batman also.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
You mena the same "Black Panther" right?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I AM thinking of all the evidence. Aside from two bad showings against BP(who nearly EVERYONE in Marvel has a bad showing or two against at this point) there's nothing in Karnak's record to suggest that Bats could put him down.

And what do you mean he SHOULD be much stronger/faster? Karnak has the feats to support his being Bats physical superior.

I mean as I recall he neevr really versed any top tier fighters.

I just wondering I could be wrong

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Because T'challa is much faster, that is all.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
who has karnak defeated that was a skilled fight?

I mean as I recall he neevr really versed any top tier fighters.

I just wondering I could be wrong

Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually, Karnak has some impressive speed feats to his credit as well. We're talking about someone who was able to vibrate his hand fast enough to hit an intangible Vision.

Very true, T'challa has some impressive speed feats himself though, but I dont wanna get off topci. BTW, do you have those scans of BP taking on the inhumans, or know what comic it is in?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Very true, T'challa has some impressive speed feats himself though, but I dont wanna get off topci. BTW, do you have those scans of BP taking on the inhumans, or know what comic it is in?

Karnack

Originally posted by darthgoober
I AM thinking of all the evidence. Aside from two bad showings against BP(who nearly EVERYONE in Marvel has a bad showing or two against at this point) there's nothing in Karnak's record to suggest that Bats could put him down.

And what do you mean he SHOULD be much stronger/faster? Karnak has the feats to support his being Bats physical superior.

Which feats support Karnak being so vastly superior, if you do not mind me asking?

Originally posted by Soljer
Which feats support Karnak being so vastly superior, if you do not mind me asking?

karnack has found weak spots and injured vastly superior beings and stuff with his hands. I haven't read aything with him in aloong time but I do remember that. one hit from Karnack into one of Batman's join's and he'll be limbless.

I have to agree with soljer here karnak speed feats have not been that impressive from what I just viewed.

Originally posted by Soljer
Which feats support Karnak being so vastly superior, if you do not mind me asking?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually, Karnak has some impressive speed feats to his credit as well. We're talking about someone who was able to vibrate his hand fast enough to hit an intangible Vision.

Or you can take a stroll over to the respect thread.

Also, pay no heed to Battlehammer's comments as he thinks Karnak's ability to drop someone with tap is the same as a martial artist's ability to strike a nerve.