Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
karnack has found weak spots and injured vastly superior beings and stuff with his hands. I haven't read aything with him in aloong time but I do remember that. one hit from Karnack into one of Batman's join's and he'll be limbless.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
here is the thing.........batman knows all his weak spots
You brain just can't comprehend Karnak's ability, can it?
Originally posted by Soljer
I've read the respect thread.I want Goob to enlighten me on which feats are so vastly superior to Batman's.
Well, if you're not capable of doing that yourself then maybe that tells us a little something about you.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes he does for a human being. karnack sees beyond those. ANd he's fast enough to certainly hit one of them. He is so good, even a block can be painful if he hits you knowing that you are going to block.
any top tier MA knows were all there weak points are.
karnak weak point abilties is pritty mute vs skilled MA's.
it good verse guys like thing.
Originally posted by Soljer
Which feats support Karnak being so vastly superior, if you do not mind me asking?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
here the thing karnak can't make up weak points...........any top tier MA knows were all there weak points are.
karnak weak point abilties is pritty mute vs skilled MA's.
it good verse guys like thing.
YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!
Geez, how ****ing retarded can you get. Karnak doesn't hit traditional weak spots on your body, he finds on particular weak spot that no one has a ****ing clue where is and he hits it once.
Can you even count to ****ing 5?
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Well as far as strength goes, I think his being able to actually throw a large section of a brick wall at high speed puts him over Bats. Superior durability is shown by shrugging off shots from Gorgon and Blackbolt(both of whom have super strength) and resisting Visions "phase my hand into your body" attack. Speed is actually comparable, but Karnak DOES have the feat of being able to vibrate his hand so rapidly he was able to hit a phased Vision.
Vibrating his hand seems very much like an outlier to me. More than compensated for by the fact that he can easily be stomped upon by guys like T'Challa. A fact that plays right into batman's hand considering that he's been referred to as faster than some metahumans.
As far as the rest go, Batman's taken shots from Superman, Wonder Woman, Grundy, Captain Marvel, et cetera.
He is likely weaker than Karnak, but bench pressing a couple tons certainly doesn't hurt.
And he is almost certainly more skilled - you yourself don't even dispute this. 😬.
Why this is so greatly in Karnak's favor to some people, I do not understand.
Originally posted by llagrok
You brain just can't comprehend Karnak's ability, can it?Well, if you're not capable of doing that yourself then maybe that tells us a little something about you.
No need to insinuate anything about me, thanks. On the contrary, it apparently just shows your ignorance of Batman's higher echelon of capabilities.
Originally posted by Soljer
No need to insinuate anything about me, thanks. On the contrary, it apparently just shows your ignorance of Batman's higher echelon of capabilities.
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Batman could do the same?
Originally posted by Soljer
Vibrating his hand seems very much like an outlier to me. More than compensated for by the fact that he can easily be stomped upon by guys like T'Challa. A fact that plays right into batman's hand considering that he's been referred to as faster than some metahumans.As far as the rest go, Batman's taken shots from Superman, Wonder Woman, Grundy, Captain Marvel, et cetera.
He is likely weaker than Karnak, but bench pressing a couple tons certainly doesn't hurt.
And he is almost certainly more skilled - you yourself don't even dispute this. 😬.
Why this is so greatly in Karnak's favor to some people, I do not understand.
And while I know Bats has taken shots from those you listed, I'm pretty sure we can agree on his doing so to be BS due to the fact that at the end of the day he's still human. Karnak on the other hand is an INHUMAN that actually has a superhuman degree of durability, which makes his taking those shots much more creditable.
Originally posted by llagrok
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Batman could do the same?
Superman doesn't have to be able to replicate Quasar's abilities to take the win against him.
Saying "Could X do exactly what Y can?" doesn't mean Y beats X.
Just means they have different capabilities. And Batman's speed and skill advantage means that Karnak can see all fourteen trillion of Batman's secret weak points, but never get the shot at them.
Batman wins.
Originally posted by Soljer
Superman doesn't have to be able to replicate Quasar's abilities to take the win against him.Saying "Could X do exactly what Y can?" doesn't mean Y beats X.
Just means they have different capabilities. And Batman's speed and skill advantage means that Karnak can see all fourteen trillion of Batman's secret weak points, but never get the shot at them.
Batman wins.
Speed advantage, sure dur
We're still waiting on that mass of scans Soljer.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You say GUYS like T'challya, but who other than he are you talking about?And while I know Bats has taken shots from those you listed, I'm pretty sure we can agree on his doing so to be BS due to the fact that at the end of the day he's still human. Karnak on the other hand is an INHUMAN that actually has a superhuman degree of durability, which makes his taking those shots much more creditable.
You can't equate this with human < inhuman.
ESPECIALLY when crossing universes.
All the evidence you need is in Captain America. He has feats that put him above some people that DO have low level superhuman strength or speed - yet he still is only 'peak human.'
When you cross universes, the line becomes even blurrier. Batman is a DC Human which may not be exactly the same as a Marvel Human. Past that, he has also been compared to metahumans on more than one occasion, implying that due to his intense training, he is no longer 'merely' human.
Originally posted by Soljer
Superman doesn't have to be able to replicate Quasar's abilities to take the win against him.Saying "Could X do exactly what Y can?" doesn't mean Y beats X.
Just means they have different capabilities. And Batman's speed and skill advantage means that Karnak can see all fourteen trillion of Batman's secret weak points, but never get the shot at them.
Batman wins.
Originally posted by llagrok
YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!Geez, how ****ing retarded can you get. Karnak doesn't hit traditional weak spots on your body, he finds on particular weak spot that no one has a ****ing clue where is and he hits it once.
Can you even count to ****ing 5?
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skill MA's know were the weak points are. They ahve study the body they know were there are vulnerable.
kanak can't make up a new weak spot out of thin air.
Here the thing you clearly don't get it and are overestimating karnak abilities.
now karnak could know weak points such as were people had broken bones before and use that against them, but thats about it. any other weak point batman would clearly know about
like I said karnak ability is good verse people like thing not vs skilled MA's
Originally posted by llagrok
Speed advantage, sure durWe're still waiting on that mass of scans Soljer.
When did I promise any mass of scans? I never said I'd post a damned thing. I only dig out scans when I'm invested in a thread, and I really don't care enough about either combatant here to whip out comic books and take the time to scan them in.
You can 'dur' me all you want. Doesn't change the fact that Batman'd beat Karnak, 😬.
So could a skilled martial artist crack a building in half by hitting the street? Or make the FF tower shake? Or vibrate his hand fast enough to strike Vision while he's tangible?
Originally posted by Soljer
When did I promise any mass of scans? I never said I'd post a damned thing. I only dig out scans when I'm invested in a thread, and I really don't care enough about either combatant here to whip out comic books and take the time to scan them in.You can 'dur' me all you want. Doesn't change the fact that Batman'd beat Karnak, 😬.
Nor does it change the fact that you provide 0 scans and back up your statements with nothing.
