You are right, Lil B, but I'm just trying to state an example without starting another thread. Stereotyping because of geographical location happens alot in this forum, and I didn't know where else to say it. If everyone would like I'll copy and paste my post every time someone wants to make a comment about small southern towns and what they think of them. On average I'll be posting it about 200 times per day, I figure.
I know it's off-topic, so I'm done. wavey
Playing the race card will backfire on this issue. If by pointing to the system saying "you guys are discriminatory and racist" you're really losing touch with reality. Here is why...
Last year the Los Angeles County Prisons experience one the largest prison riots in history. The cause? It is still debate. However, during the interviews by the media a Hispanic prisoner was asked about why were the riots happening? his response. "We don't like Those Black (beep) near our cells." When a black prisoner was the same question his response was similar. But instead of saying the word "black" he used the word "mexican".
Fact is this....these people hate each other. They're a threat to any member of society. The Racism doesn't just come from the system. It also comes from these individuals. We (at least I don't) don't want people like these indivuals walking down our neighborhoods, schools, and work places. They belong in prison. A place where they can't harm any of us.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Significantly less racism? And how would you know, privilege boy? Are you black? Have you ever been to prison and on the street, to know where black convict perfer to be?My statistics have more face falue since they are collected by individuals who are researching a certain topic - you might be suprised, but a majority of academic, when they are researching something, they are research it, not to PROVE whatever THEY feel like at that point in tim, but to understand and look for the answer, surprisingly.
Not that anyone listens to academics anyway...
There is one thing that never seas to anger me, and upset me like a statement from a white person about the lack or over exaggeration of racism towards black people.
I'm sorry was there ever any mention of my ethnicity, yet you assume alot don't you, thats very scholarly I suppose. Since you appear to know so much when was the last time you read a good book while incarcertated in the american penal system? Let me ask you have you ever been to a ghetto in the USA and say been around them daily, for I don't know a period of 6 months?
Your statistics have about as much value as mine do, at that is simply how they are interpreted and presented. Ever seen Good Will Hunting, because you are sounding alot like Will here.
Something that never ceases to amaze me is how so many people from so many countries can now how to fix so many problems in the USA without actually spending as much time here researching as they are reading a book, watching the news etc etc. Stand on the soap box WAY over there and shout again why we have so many issues.
Reality is there is higher crimes in impovershed areas and more blacks populate those areas.....................now quickly find more statistics to justify that! 😉
Originally posted by daTROOF
So then the question is: why is a black neighborhood a ghetto and a white neighborhood a gated community? Are whites naturally superior and more capable of success within the capitalist system or did you perhaps get a bit of an unfair advantage?
No cause it doesn't matter if I believe in race or not; the people in charge do and that can lead to unequality between the supposed "races."
Honestly though it's ridiculous that I could've said the same exact thing without the word "you" but still be referring to the SAME PEOPLE and you'd agree, but since I slipped and my post went from objective to personal suddenly I'm a racist.
Originally posted by daTROOF
No cause it doesn't matter if I believe in race or not; the people in charge do and that can lead to unequality between the supposed "races."Honestly though it's ridiculous that I could've said the same exact thing without the word "you" but still be referring to the SAME PEOPLE and you'd agree, but since I slipped and my post went from objective to personal suddenly I'm a racist.
Oh I still agree.....I just find it quite offensive....like saying:
So then the question is: why is a black neighborhood a ghetto and a white neighborhood a gated community? Is the system unfair or did perhaps you blacks just screw up?
Originally posted by Soleran
I'm sorry was there ever any mention of my ethnicity, yet you assume alot don't you, thats very scholarly I suppose. Since you appear to know so much when was the last time you read a good book while incarcertated in the american penal system? Let me ask you have you ever been to a ghetto in the USA and say been around them daily, for I don't know a period of 6 months?Your statistics have about as much value as mine do, at that is simply how they are interpreted and presented. Ever seen Good Will Hunting, because you are sounding alot like Will here.
Something that never ceases to amaze me is how so many people from so many countries can now how to fix so many problems in the USA without actually spending as much time here researching as they are reading a book, watching the news etc etc. Stand on the soap box WAY over there and shout again why we have so many issues.
Reality is there is higher crimes in impovershed areas and more blacks populate those areas.....................now quickly find more statistics to justify that! 😉
I happen to spend a whole semester in Detroit, as a part of my University exchange program. Not a lot, but certainly got to see a lot.
Coincidently my topic was Violence in Society, and I got to do a lot of work regarding violence in the street - we even got to go and see jail 😎 and meet the deputy (who was rather hot too 😛).
I have not lived in Ghetto, but I have certainly seen it.
What I found rather scary and heart stopping was when we were advised that in certain areas of Detroit, if we happen to be driving by at certain time do not stop at the red light, but keep on driving!
Obviously my professors girlfriend took us around there, since our prof thought we're all gonna die - it was kinda funny at the time. She didn't live in Ghetto, but she knew her way around that particular part of Detroit well, since she used to date some guy from there or something.
Anyway, while it was all exciting (the prospect of possibly getting shot at, even though we were in the car) it was scary at the same time.
The parts we got to see, is like they are not in America at all but in some random poverty stricken third world country or something.
So yeah, I happen to see Ghetto in Detroit, in something other than books.
As far as that goes up there - last year (i know you dont wanna hear my life story, but bare with me) I had to do work experience in my field, so i decided to go help out in prison for like...a day a week. (well 5 hours a day, each week)
I didn't get to SEE the cells or anything like that, but you got to speak and see the people who are imprisoned and they are by a great majority uneducated. They are economically disadvantaged...it was sad!
I knew these people stole things and used drugs, but seeing them get excited over simple GCSE (thats like a school exam people take at 16 here in UK) maths problem which they understood how to do.
It was sad. Thats why I decided to do something regarding prison for my final year...
Not that anything I said is original or new - lots of people before me have said the same, i just showed my support.
Originally posted by daTROOF
So then the question is: why is a black neighborhood a ghetto and a white neighborhood a gated community? Are whites naturally superior and more capable of success within the capitalist system or did you perhaps get a bit of an unfair advantage?
What the heck was that supposed to mean?
Originally posted by Soleran
Something that never ceases to amaze me is how so many people from so many countries can now how to fix so many problems in the USA without actually spending as much time here researching as they are reading a book, watching the news etc etc. Stand on the soap box WAY over there and shout again why we have so many issues.
Same here; I can't understand it either.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I have not lived in Ghetto
Enough said.
I think the punishment should fit the crime.
Only actual misdemeanours should be punished:
The most trivial things should be punished by community service only.
Certainly there is no reason why the most heinous crimes should not receive the worst possible penalties, but there is a concern of the unreliability of legal courts of discerning who is guilty.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How can 12-15% of your population fill 52% of your prison system? There has to be something wrong there.Black person is 6 times more likely to get arrested than white person...
It does lead back to poverty. Do you realize how many blacks are poor in this country, and have to do something illegal to get what they need? And then they get caught up in it and start doing it for pleasure and respect and etc. and it leads to other crimes, and they finally get busted.
ED>"there are many more factors to consider. Most of them culturally.”
Culturally?? Well, what came first? Racism or the ghettos? If a minority in a country is constantly being treated as “second-class” and subject to racism in one form or another, I think that, socially speaking, the society in question is asking for trouble. You will see the formation of ghettos, and some kind of “f*ck-you” attitude towards the prejudiced society.
I see it happening here in DK. The Arab immigrants and refugees are starting to cluster together in ghettos, and a “gangsta”-style subculture is emerging among SOME of them. What do you do, if, whenever you go down a street, some stranger may yell racist comments at you without knowing anything about you or what you do?? If a well-educated ethnic Dane and an “indigenous” well-educated Dane apply for the same job, the chances that the latter receives the job are a lot higher than 50 %.
Growing up with this knowledge must be immensely frustrating. You get banned from night-clubs solely based on your skin-colour, and blamed for everything from unemployment to economic crises.
No one, of course, REALLY thinks its “cool” and “respectable” to commit crimes and go to prison. But if the society you live in rejects you or is just generally prejudiced against you, some kind of re-action is bound to happen, some kind of “let’s give them something to be annoyed about”-attitude.
It’s a vicious circle.
Have any studies been done to show a relationships between arrest and actual convictions?
Botakus> Sure, there are almost always exceptions to the rule! But that does not forfeit the RULE in itself. When we discuss something IN GENERAL, tossing in a “ah, but I know there’s one example where Eskimos DO like spaghetti” doesn’t change the rule or the statistics.
Lil Bitchiness> “What I found rather scary and heart stopping was when we were advised that in certain areas of Detroit, if we happen to be driving by at certain time do not stop at the red light, but keep on driving!”
I experienced the exact same thing when visiting NYC once. The “in THAT community, run the red lights after dusk.”
Originally posted by The Omega
No one, of course, REALLY thinks its “cool” and “respectable” to commit crimes and go to prison.
You aren't wrong very often, but you are now. How much about gang life and the life of a drug dealer do you really know?
Dealing drugs give money, with money comes a bit of sway and respect. With respect comes the women. With money and women comes other guys who want in. Those men need to know to fear and respect you, not take you for granted. So what do you do? You are ruthless, and injure or kill someone who angers you. Your men are now afraid of you and will not only stop messing with you, but compliment you and do what you say just to keep you happy. Yet, crime begets crime. Now you've assaulted someone, what else is there to do? Take what you want. Rob, mug, steal, all crimes now put fear and respect into the hearts of those around you. So you do them, and you want to do them, to keep that feeling.
That drug dealer commits many crimes, for what? What did it start with? Money. Money that is availible in the middle and upper classes, but not to the poor. If he had that money to start with, people would have made friends with him and respected him in a different way.
Originally posted by The Omega
Botakus> Sure, there are almost always exceptions to the rule! But that does not forfeit the RULE in itself. When we discuss something IN GENERAL, tossing in a “ah, but I know there’s one example where Eskimos DO like spaghetti” doesn’t change the rule or the statistics.
Keep in mind I made an example, but I'm not following where exceptions were a part of the discussion. Maybe I missed something. Anyways, I live in a small southern town, and I know how one operates better than 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 statistics compiled by people living in cubicles. Real life is this so-called RULE. If anything, the statistics are the exceptions! If someone can't relate to whatever it is they're preaching about, don't preach it! That would be like me barging into the WWE forum, talking about who has the toughest chokehold...I would just look foolish, so I don't even go there. 😑 Plus, Wrestling chokeholds aren't exactly #1 on my priority list.
The next time I make a statement about how Denmark operates, please correct me. You might be waiting a long time for even the most general of statements from me, but remember to do it when I do!
EDIT: I changed 100,000 to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000