Did you bring up Cain's fight with Hyperion?
The Cain that lost a large portion of his powers because he took on Captain Universe persona to heal the damage he did to New York when he tunneled into the river all those years ago after Spidey dumped him in the concrete pool?
And the Examplars could hurt him because they were all designed to be able to hurt one another.
Originally posted by h1a8
Why troll? You are not using DD at his best but rather clones of him.Juggs don't have to output power to harm DD sufficiently.
It works the other way as well. Cain at classic level is unable to be harmed by pure physical force, when written correctly. Nothing any DD does to him will injure him. So if this is the most powerful incarnation of DD, which i assume is H/P, then it would be a stalemate.
Originally posted by KingD19
Did you bring up Cain's fight with Hyperion?The Cain that lost a large portion of his powers because he took on Captain Universe persona to heal the damage he did to New York when he tunneled into the river all those years ago after Spidey dumped him in the concrete pool?
And the Examplars could hurt him because they were all designed to be able to hurt one another.
Lol...Juggernaut wasn't weakened after his fight with Spiderman. Where did you get this from? Scans of him depowering after taking on Captain Universe.
The Exemplers could hurt him because they had the power to hurt him, not because they were designed to hurt him.
Originally posted by carver9He got it from the Thunderbolts issue where Luke Cage specifically stated that Cain had lost a large portion of his power of his power after the Captain Universe arc.
Lol...Juggernaut wasn't weakened after his fight with Spiderman. Where did you get this from? Scans of him depowering after taking on Captain Universe.The Exemplers could hurt him because they had the power to hurt him, not because they were designed to hurt him.
And the Exemplars were magical beings gifted magical abilities that they used. That is why they could hurt Cain.
Originally posted by Newjak
He got it from the Thunderbolts issue where Luke Cage specifically stated that Cain had lost a large portion of his power of his power after the Captain Universe arc.And the Exemplars were magical beings gifted magical abilities that they used. That is why they could hurt Cain.
If this is true, I missed this issue and Newjack, for some strange reason, I trust your answer. This still doesn't exclude the many other times outside of this when he was hurt.
The exemplers was physically hurting him...magic had nothing to do with it.
They were all powered by entities of the same caliber. That's like if I get a god powering me, and you get a god from the same pantheon and class powering you, we'll be able to hurt each other because our power sources are roughly equal.
And like Newjak said, Cage stated it and said something about Cyttorak not liking to share. And since being the Juggernaut means you're an agent of chaos and destruction, taking on a persona of peace and order was like a slap in the face.
And I never said he was weakened after his Spider-Man fight, I said the Uni Power forced him to fix the damage he'd made to New Yorks structure by tunneling out into the river.
Originally posted by carver9MOst if not all of them have some strange circumstance around them.
If this is true, I missed this issue and Newjack, for some strange reason, I trust your answer. This still doesn't exclude the many other times outside of this when he was hurt.The exemplers was physically hurting him...magic had nothing to do with it.
War Hulk was using Celestial Technology, We found out later that Onsalught's Xavier half was supposed to be the original Juggernaut which could explain why Cain could have been injured by him because Cyttorak wanted it to happen, Shatterstar's sword is from another dimension of magic and science, D'Spayre hurt an already extremely drained Cain.
And thanks to the new revelations in the new Colossusnaut front we've seen the fact that a Juggernaut doesn't always call upon the full power if they are fighting it. So another part of those instances could be chalked up to retconning the fact that Cain wasn't using his full enchantment when he got injured.
And once again the Exemplars were beings that were basically made of magic like Cain was.Their attacks may have been physical, but there always going to be a magic undertone backing them, because we've seen Cain survive unscathed a lot worse then what the Exmeplars put out.
Originally posted by KingD19
They were all powered by entities of the same caliber. That's like if I get a god powering me, and you get a god from the same pantheon and class powering you, we'll be able to hurt each other because our power sources are roughly equal.And like Newjak said, Cage stated it and said something about Cyttorak not liking to share. And since being the Juggernaut means you're an agent of chaos and destruction, taking on a persona of peace and order was like a slap in the face.
The Exempler isn't feeding from a God as powerful as Cyttorak. I agree, they are powered by a God but Cyttorak is a different force of nature. I see where you are going with this but I don't see where any of this was mentioned or even reference on panel with, especially when Mjlonir was unable to hurt Jugs prior to this.
Originally posted by carver9
The Exempler isn't feeding from a God as powerful as Cyttorak. I agree, they are powered by a God but Cyttorak is a different force of nature. I see where you are going with this but I don't see where any of this was mentioned or even reference on panel with, especially when Mjlonir was unable to hurt Jugs prior to this.
What are you talking about? Juggernaut himself is an Exemplar, there's 8 of them in total, and 8 Gods, 1 for each Exemplar or Champion. There was a bet between Cyttorak and the other Demon Gods called the Octessence.
The Exemplars were supposed to make a machine that would divide Earth into 8 groups, hence Octessence. And then they would fight a war and whoever came out on top would rule Earth for their master. If it was Juggernaut, Cytorrak would rule. If it was Bedlam, Ikonn would rule; Stonecutter would rule for Raggaddor and so on.
And I'm pretty sure the Octessence storyline happened after Cain lost most of his original over the top abilities.
Originally posted by KingD19
What are you talking about? Juggernaut himself is an Exemplar, there's 8 of them in total, and 8 Gods, 1 for each Exemplar or Champion. There was a bet between Cyttorak and the other Demon Gods called the Octessence.The Exemplars were supposed to make a machine that would divide Earth into 8 groups, hence Octessence. And then they would fight a war and whoever came out on top would rule Earth for their master. If it was Jugger, Cytorrak would rule. If it was Bedlam, Ikonn would rule; etc...
I thought out of the Exemplers, Cyttorak is the more powerful out of all of them...he is a greater power source. Isn't that the reason he was trapped in the gem in the first place? Because he became too powerful for anyone including the Gods to stop?
Originally posted by carver9
I thought out of the Exemplers, Cyttorak is the more powerful out of all of them...he is a greater power source. Isn't that the reason he was trapped in the gem in the first place? Because he became too powerful for anyone including the Gods to stop?
It's unsure who was the most powerful out of the 8. That's what the whole Octessence wager was for. Whoever had the most powerful champion, obviously had the most power. And while he granted Cain raw power, he never outright fought with the other gods, so there's no way to know.
And no, one aspect of himself(the most destructive/violent) one was captured in the Gem because of some crap that happened to him on Earth and he got sealed inside it by people who were worshiping him.
