Originally posted by Darth Vious
I think you mean you won't continue this because you can't prove the point. In RotJ, Luke was moving nowhere near as fast as Ray could (which is also Maul's potential abilities as no one else portrayed him) Vader was unable to prevent Luke from cutting off his hand. Now, if Vader could not prevent one person (who Lucas admitted was a half-trained boy) cutting his hand off, how would he be able to block the attacks of someone moving at least twice as fast, and with two blades rather than one?
WTF! Can you read? I said it was because you never stop, you are stubborn and a hypocrite, don't be an **s hole by assuming such things....
And Samuel L Jackson was the only one who portraied Mace, so he must suck....
Originally posted by kamikz
WTF! Can you read? I said it was because you never stop, you are stubborn and a hypocrite, don't be an **s hole by assuming such things....And Samuel L Jackson was the only one who portraied Mace, so he must suck....
Originally posted by kamikz
Yes, but not as a swordsman, then he sucked balls....
Originally posted by Darth Vious
I think it's clear that you're the one who can't read. Yes, I am stubborn, because I am not going to change my opinion about something without good cause or proof too. There is no proof that backs up your point, so I see no reason to change my mind.
As for Sam, I repeat my previous question about if you have seen 51st State, where he WTFpwns a gang of skinheads by wielding a golf club very much as he does a lightsaber.As I said previously, you cannot judge Vaapad by the same standards you would judge Makashi, they are two totally different forms. Makashi is one of grace and precision, Vaapad is one of synchopated attacks and almost illogically connected moves. It's like comparing an apple to an orange, you just can't do it.
Nope, your the one.... And I have provided proof, you just won't take it as such because you don't want to...
Are you seriousley comparing Samuel in ANOTHER movie, winning over some people when he has a golf club, to Mace Windu? That was another film, that was not Samuel himself. Anyone can swing a golf club and kick ass, I've done similar to people wielding a stick....
Where did you get such info on Vaapad? And that doesn't matter, they both were slower than Vader was in ESB, and the kick he performed in the end sucked ass, should be parried easy as hell. The thing is that you shouldn't judge the character after the actor who performed it, Mace and Sidious apparently weren't that slow.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove it. Luke was moving no slower than Maul.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Vader still beat Maul, in the continuity. Therefore, this fight's been done.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Vader never fought Maul, that comic isn't canon.
Originally posted by kamikz
Nope, your the one.... And I have provided proof, you just won't take it as such because you don't want to...
Originally posted by kamikz
Are you seriousley comparing Samuel in ANOTHER movie, winning over some people when he has a golf club, to Mace Windu? That was another film, that was not Samuel himself. Anyone can swing a golf club and kick ass, I've done similar to people wielding a stick....
Originally posted by kamikz
Where did you get such info on Vaapad?
Originally posted by kamikz
that doesn't matter, they both were slower than Vader was in ESB, and the kick he performed in the end sucked ass, should be parried easy as hell.
Originally posted by Darth Vious
No, I won't take it as proof, because it isn't proof. You cannot judge speed in a novel or comic, you can when it's a moving image. Luke never moved a lightsaber as fast as Ray (or Maul in TPM) RotJ movie shows this as an indisputeable fact.Okay, provide proof that Sam can't[duel. Yes, it's another movie, but it was one that showed that he had some skill in wielding a weapon. That had to come from the actor regardless of the character they're portraying. The way he was swinging the golf club was very similar to the way he wielded the lightsaber, a fact most likely incorporated into Mace's style by Gillard.
There are plenty of online sources about saber techniques. I'm sure you won't consider them canon, but all the information is no doubt a distillation of everything written about saber technique in the novelizations and EU.
You're absolutely right, it doesn't matter. Mace/Sam has absolutely nothing to do with Vader Vs Maul. This will be the third or fourth time of me pointing this out to you. Why are you constantly bringing an irrelevent point into the debate?
You don't get it do you? He defeated SEVERAL jedi masters AT ONCE. Are all jedi suddenly slow? I remember a padawan keeping up with Darth Maul, these guys had PLANNED to take Darth Vader for a LONG time....
Darth also EASILY kicked someone who was noted as the fastest, strongest and flawless warrior where they had gathered some of the most well trained and best warriors. He was like a kid against Vader....
As I said, don't judge the character after their actor....
They are moving slow in that fight, he is performing a ridicilous kick at the end, they are not even matching blades at the time and Sidious cannot still block it. Sidious is holding his lightsaber straight above his haid, he has no defence what so ever. If you are saying that Luke is slow then look at this fight....
So you can't show me proof? Give me the exact quote....
Why don't you get it? You are comparing Ray Park as an actor to Darth Vader as an actor. How do you figure that a normal actor would move fast with that kind of suit? It doesn't make sense. Then I compared the actors, showing that Sidious or Mace performed WORSE than the others, but they are clearly much above either Maul or Vader....
For example, would you put TPM Obi equal to ROTS or AOTC, because he performed himself equal to them in TPM, and he actually showed more speed in TPM than in AOTC?
Vader destroys maul. He can easily just choke him or crush him with the force. And if it gets down to a duel, vader still beats him quite badly. As a duelist, vader is pretty much the best in all of the films. the movies depict him badly imo, just look at some of the stuff he did in the EU. Plus, there is the fact that he is the chosen one, and so his luck and morale is at the highest when he is battling a sith.
Originally posted by kamikz
You don't get it do you? He defeated SEVERAL jedi masters AT ONCE. Are all jedi suddenly slow? I remember a padawan keeping up with Darth Maul, these guys had PLANNED to take Darth Vader for a LONG time....
Darth also EASILY kicked someone who was noted as the fastest, strongest and flawless warrior where they had gathered some of the most well trained and best warriors. He was like a kid against Vader....
As I said, don't judge the character after their actor....They are moving slow in that fight, he is performing a ridicilous kick at the end, they are not even matching blades at the time and Sidious cannot still block it. Sidious is holding his lightsaber straight above his haid, he has no defence what so ever. If you are saying that Luke is slow then look at this fight....
So you can't show me proof? Give me the exact quote....
Why don't you get it? You are comparing Ray Park as an actor to Darth Vader as an actor. How do you figure that a normal actor would move fast with that kind of suit? It doesn't make sense. Then I compared the actors, showing that Sidious or Mace performed WORSE than the others, but they are clearly much above either Maul or Vader....
For example, would you put TPM Obi equal to ROTS or AOTC, because he performed himself equal to them in TPM, and he actually showed more speed in TPM than in AOTC?
Originally posted by Generic Hero
Vader wasn't trying with Luke. Vious, you gotta at least give me that -_-