Originally posted by 123KID
i never said it didn't
my original point was that the claim Nihilus is only considered special because of one ability is ridiculous
he has many abilities with some of them being quite impressive IMO
only the tk ability though can be considered combat related and without his drain Nihilus would fall out of the top 5 sith.
Originally posted by 123KID
can you name any other Sith who pulled an entire fleet of ships out of a gravity well with TK ?
that feat alone still keeps him in the Top 3
He didn't pull an entire fleet he only pulled the Ravager if you noticed how no other interdictor ship is damaged except the ravager which was at malachor obviously. Like I said he displayed an impressive tk move but without the drain that is all he has to his name and falls out of the top 5 sith
Originally posted by 123KIDWhat does tobin know of nihilus EXACTLY? Oh right tobin was never there when nihilus pulled the ravager from the planet, tobin never saw him doing it nor did he ever ask.
it was the fleet according to Tobin
i'd say Tobin knows because he tells us a great deal about Nihilus
Right and you forgot the loading screen states otherwise that nihilus only got his ship from malachor, it never mentioned his fleet when clearly the ships appear undamaged in any form exterior hence it eliminates the possibilities of it coming from the gravity well.
Originally posted by 123KID
it was the fleet according to Tobin
i'd say Tobin knows because he tells us a great deal about Nihilus
Loading screen says different, and for what is worth Tobin says He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet… that is a measure of his power." The comma might mean a change in the thought. That with his power to move the Ravager and his fleet he is all powerful or something similar to it. Common sense says that if the other ships were there they would be damaged. And this proves that Tobin is fallible because all evidence points to him being wrong.
Originally posted by Elite HunterDon't forget tobin never saw nihilus actually doing anything to the ravager on malachor.
Loading screen says different, and for what is worth Tobin says He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet… that is a measure of his power." The comma might mean a change in the thought. That with his power to move the Ravager and his fleet he is all powerful or something similar to it. Common sense says that if the other ships were there they would be damaged. And this proves that Tobin is fallible because all evidence points to him being wrong.
Loading screen says different
that doesn't make sense
if it said different it would say "he tore ONLY the Ravager from Malachor"
the fact it doesn't specifically say anything about his fleet does not mean its a contradiction
it's just an incomplete piece of information like if i listed 5 Presidents it doesn't mean there weren't more Presidents
The comma might mean a change in the thought. That with his power to move the Ravager and his fleet he is all powerful or something similar to it. Common sense says that if the other ships were there they would be damaged. And this proves that Tobin is fallible because all evidence points to him being wrong.
what evidence ?
show me where it's stated he didn't pull anything but the Ravager away from Malachor
and of course he's saying Nihilus is all powerfult hat was basically the point of that scene
as for the other ships being damaged of course they would be..why does that matter ? we never see those ships but we don't see much of Nihilus' fleet at all
Lol yet she still could reach out with the force and shake her saber, force sever indeed.
take it up with what Traya:
"And there would be those, like me, who have had the Force stripped from them."
maybe he did it after she started to reach for the saber ? i dunno but it's what she says and she definitely knows more than you i'm afraid
Originally posted by 123KID
that doesn't make sense
if it said different it would say "he tore ONLY the Ravager from Malachor"
the fact it doesn't specifically say anything about his fleet does not mean its a contradiction
it's just an incomplete piece of information like if i listed 5 Presidents it doesn't mean there weren't more Presidentswhat evidence ?
show me where it's stated he didn't pull anything but the Ravager away from Malachor
and of course he's saying Nihilus is all powerfult hat was basically the point of that scene
as for the other ships being damaged of course they would be..why does that matter ? we never see those ships but we don't see much of Nihilus' fleet at all
Let's see two of Tobin's key points about Nihilus has nothing to back it up. He says that Nihilus "pulled the Ravager,along with his fleet" yet when we see the interdictor ships they have zero signs of damage. If more than the Ravager was at Malachor than it would have been mentioned as such by others like Canderous who recognized. Tobin never was at Malachor. The loading screen does not include the fleet so that further backs up our point that Tobin is wrong while you have one sentence that is very questionable.
Let's see two of Tobin's key points about Nihilus has nothing to back it up. He says that Nihilus "pulled the Ravager,along with his fleet" yet when we see the interdictor ships they have zero signs of damage.
Tobin also says Nihilus came to him wtih his power and soldiers
you think Tobin just saw one beat up ship and decided to ally with Nihilus ?
and why exactly would Tobin claim Nihilus had a fleet if he didn't ?
Originally posted by 123KID
Tobin also says Nihilus came to him wtih his power and soldiers
you think Tobin just saw one beat up ship and decided to ally with Nihilus ?
and why exactly would Tobin claim Nihilus had a fleet if he didn't ?
Originally posted by 666.1
no.THAT is a measure of his power
Singular
Referencing just one attribute, not two.
The only interpretation behind Tobin's words that makes sense is that Nihilus dragged the entire fleet, including the Ravager, out of the mass shadows of malachor
the conteXt is clear.
Than please do tell why the loading screen contradicts him and the fact that no other ship seen is damaged at all. Just because he makes a claim doesn't make it true. Kreia says that ancient sith would pwn anyone in the kotor era in lightsaber combat yet there is no evidence to back that up.
EDIT: I am man enough to admit when I might have made a mistake. Which I just might have because I was playing the game and the loading screen said something along the lines of:"the sith fleet attacking telos is composed of many damage warships...the wreckages of a great battle" I will look into this more.
Originally posted by 123KIDYour the only idiot who does not make sense.
that doesn't make sense
Originally posted by 123KIDNo, if he actually did lifted his fleet the loading screen would have mentioned it as well.
if it said different it would say "he tore ONLY the Ravager from Malachor"
Originally posted by 123KIDIt apparantly is as tobins a fallible character whom has NEVER seen nihilus pull the ravager from malachor, he is merely under the assumption that he pulled his fleet.
the fact it doesn't specifically say anything about his fleet does not mean its a contradiction
Can you prove that tobin was at malachor at the time of the ravager getting pulled out?
Right, you can't prove anything.
Originally posted by 123KIDAsking me to prove a negative? I'm sorry kid, YOU made a claim, YOU are the one whom is suppose to prove he pulled a fleet, The burden of proof falls on YOU cosndiering the fact that there is NOTHING to back up tobin seeing that he was NEVER there at malachor when nihilus pulled his fleet.
what evidence ?
show me where it's stated he didn't pull anything but the Ravager away from Malachor
RIGHT, have you forgotten had the other ships came from the gravity well they would have shown OBVIOUS damage to the hull?
Or have you forgotten not every ship was destroyed during the jedi civil war thus some could have escaped the star forge battle?
Originally posted by 123KIDI guess you think tobin is infallible.
and of course he's saying Nihilus is all powerfult hat was basically the point of that scene
Originally posted by 123KIDYour more stupid than i thought, just take a look at this "brand new looking" sith interdictor along side the ravager.
as for the other ships being damaged of course they would be..why does that matter ? we never see those ships but we don't see much of Nihilus' fleet at all
Never seen those ships before HUH?
THIS is how UNDAMAGED sith interdictors look like
Compare it to the sith warships seen below the ravager, DO THEY LOOK DAMAGED?
It DOES matter because do you know the amount of damage happens to a ship when it crashes into a planet? ESPECIALLY when its due to the mass shadow generator?
Originally posted by 123KIDThen how, despite her being cut off the force managed to restore her connection without the help of someone else?
take it up with what Traya:
"And there would be those, like me, who have had the Force stripped from them."
Originally posted by 123KIDLOL knows more than me my ass, does she know who vader is? who palpatine is? Does she know who the yuuzhan vong are?
maybe he did it after she started to reach for the saber ? i dunno but it's what she says and she definitely knows more than you i'm afraid
Does she know what force storms are?
Of course not, Its safe to assume i know more than her.
Please specify how "she knows more than me". Because i'm looking at it from a different context.
Your the only idiot who does not make sense.
sorry it doesn't
contradiction doesn't mean what you seem to think it does
No, if he actually did lifted his fleet the loading screen would have mentioned it as well.
no
i already showed how faulty it was with my presidents analogy
if i list five presidents it doesn't mean there aren't more
it just means i only named five
just like the loading screen only mentioned the Ravager
simple but not surprising you didn't get it
It apparantly is as tobins a fallible character whom has NEVER seen nihilus pull the ravager from malachor, he is merely under the assumption that he pulled his fleet.
and guess what ?
he never saw him pull the Ravager but we know he's right
so what you're telling me is...he didn't see it happen but he happens to be right about one part and wrong about another part
Can you prove that tobin was at malachor at the time of the ravager getting pulled out?
don't need to sorry
he was right about the Ravager even though he wasn't there
so he's right about the fleet until you can prove otherwise
Asking me to prove a negative? I'm sorry kid, YOU made a claim, YOU are the one whom is suppose to prove he pulled a fleet,
Tobin: [Nihilus] tore [The Ravager] from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet… that is a measure of his power."
proven
now if you say Tobin is wrong you have to provide one statement saying Nihilus did not pull anything but the Ravager from Malachor
until then don't waste my time
The burden of proof falls on YOU cosndiering the fact that there is NOTHING to back up tobin seeing that he was NEVER there at malachor when nihilus pulled his fleet.
he wasn't there at Malachor when he pulled theRavager but guess what ?
Tobin. Was. Right.
so............................you're telling me to say he wasn't there proves him wrong on one part but he knows what happened there and was right in another part
fail
RIGHT, have you forgotten had the other ships came from the gravity well they would have shown OBVIOUS damage to the hull?
not all those ships were Nihilus' as far as i'm aware
he could very well have gotten new ships when he got his followers and soldiers and whatnot
I guess you think tobin is infallible.
until he's proven wrong
something you've all failed miserably to do
It DOES matter because do you know the amount of damage happens to a ship when it crashes into a planet? ESPECIALLY when its due to the mass shadow generator?
probably looks like the Ravager
Then how, despite her being cut off the force managed to restore her connection without the help of someone else?
far as i know she restored it through contact with the Exile
like i said take it up with Traya she said it not me
LOL knows more than me my ass, does she know who vader is? who palpatine is? Does she know who the yuuzhan vong are?
obviously i meant she knows more about herself than you do
As a side note, it's one thing to lift a fleet (whether all at once or one by one, we don't know), and keep the flagship together, but it's quite another to rip through the fabric of space and time and create a storm of the Force that obliterates such fleets, and also be contained enough to effectively teleport two humans across the galaxy.
Just a reiteration, Palpatine still #1. Yay.