Oh yeah, no doubts there.
Buuuut, if we're to be taking the in-text dialog so religiously like we are with Tobin and the loading screens, then isn't Kreia's wee line about Jedi Civil War era members being but "children playing with toys compared to the Ancients" (or some such statement), a tad bit contradictory.
So... yeah, go Ragnos, you the man! Why don't you and Kresh and his pimp Sadow take turns rubbing lotion on each other's cucumbers, then throw them at Nihilus until they pickle. Then you can shave his mask into chips and have Dill Pickle Chips, cuz Dill is Nihilus' real name.
True Story.
Buuuut, if we're to be taking the in-text dialog so religiously like we are with Tobin and the loading screens, then isn't Kreia's wee line about Jedi Civil War era members being but "children playing with toys compared to the Ancients" (or some such statement), a tad bit contradictory.
she's only talking about lightsaber combat
i never said Nihilus was #2 lightsaber duelist
You'd have to show cause why Nihilus is #2.
he kills whole planets with ease
any other Sith ever done this ?
no ?
then he is stronger than them
Originally posted by 123KIDApparantly it does.
sorry it doesn't
contradiction doesn't mean what you seem to think it does
Originally posted by 123KIDAnd why would they only name the ravager if they were so fond of trying to make nihilus look like a power house? Again there is nothing to indicate that he lifted a fleet.
no
i already showed how faulty it was with my presidents analogy
if i list five presidents it doesn't mean there aren't more
it just means i only named five
just like the loading screen only mentioned the Ravager
simple but not surprising you didn't get it
Tobin was never there to see it, you keep missing this point. You can't prove that he pulled a fleet.
Originally posted by 123KIDBecause he is INSIDE the ravager you idiot. But again can you prove that he saw nihilus lifting his fleet?
and guess what ?
he never saw him pull the Ravager but we know he's right
And we DO know he is right thanks to the loading screen. Otherwise we would have labeled him wrong.
Originally posted by 123KIDHe happens to be right about one part simply because he is inside the ship, and he knew it came from malachor and the fact that its backed up by out of universe sources whereas there is nothing to back tobins claim of him lifting the entire fleet.
so what you're telling me is...he didn't see it happen but he happens to be right about one part and wrong about another part
Infact all the pictures i posted DISPROVES his claims because they appear undamaged.
Have you forgot that the MSG CRUSHES ships and does SEVERE exterior damage to the ships? If they came from malachor, WHY are the other sith interdictors appear undamaged?
Originally posted by 123KIDTheres a rule when it comes to debating, you made a claim, it is your duty to PROVE it. I'm not going to do your homework for you.
don't need to sorry
And yet you still fail to realise that the burden of proof falls on you.
Originally posted by 123KIDHe being right about one thing does not mean he would be right about other things.
he was right about the Ravager even though he wasn't there
Originally posted by 123KIDYou saying he is right doesn't make it so considering the fact that him being right in one thing does not make it identical to another.
so he's right about the fleet until you can prove otherwise
Or the fact there is nothing to back his claims when in fact hard evidence disproves his and your claims, such as the undamaged sith warships which were along side the ravager.
Originally posted by 123KIDHA, and was tobin there to witness it? Is tobin infallible?
Tobin: [Nihilus] tore [The Ravager] from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet… that is a measure of his power."proven
Hell going by third part quotes, i guess revan is really stronger than your precious nihilus because she labelled him "like staring at the heart of the force"
Again if it came from the MSG, why do the sith interdictors appear undamaged? This is a question i keep asking which you have yet to even attempt to answer.
Originally posted by 123KIDFirstly you have to prove to me tobins statement is backed up by ANYTHING else.
now if you say Tobin is wrong you have to provide one statement saying Nihilus did not pull anything but the Ravager from Malachor
Secondly everything else says he is wrong, the loading screen, the undamaged ships which appeared at telos IV.
Originally posted by 123KIDYour the one wasting your own time seeing that you can't prove anything other than quotes from fallible third part characters.
until then don't waste my time
Originally posted by 123KIDBecause his claim was backed up by other sources whereas his claims of lifting a fleet was disproved by other sources?
he wasn't there at Malachor when he pulled theRavager but guess what ?
Tobin. Was. Right.
Again answer me, if he really pulled ships out of the gravity well, why do they appear undamaged in any form? Why do they ships appear brand new?
Theres also the possibilities of ships surviving the jedi civil war, Have you forgot that the star forge produced thousands of those warships?
And the fact that the republic has not destroyed every single warship?
Originally posted by 123KIDAgain being in one part does not mean being right in another, i may be right about sadam getting hanged but would i be right in the part where i claim the americans skinned his half brothers alive?
so............................you're telling me to say he wasn't there proves him wrong on one part but he knows what happened there and was right in another part
Do you see the point?
Originally posted by 123KIDYour the only failure.
fail
Originally posted by 123KIDLOL and that was his FLEET at telos IV! As tobin was so fond of pointing out that it came from malachor.
not all those ships were Nihilus' as far as i'm aware
he could very well have gotten new ships when he got his followers and soldiers and whatnot
So tell me, if those ships weren't his, what exactly was his fleet? The bunch of sith fighters flying next to his ship?
Originally posted by 123KIDI do NOT have to prove him wrong, YOU have to prove him right as NOTHING backs his claims up, as all the evidence points the other way it is YOUR duty to prove him right.
until he's proven wrong
Originally posted by 123KIDUh see the above.
something you've all failed miserably to do
Originally posted by 123KIDCorrect, finally one thing you had typed out right, then why do the other ships in his fleet appear undamaged and don't look like the ravager?
probably looks like the Ravager
If the fleet was not his, whose fleet was it?
Originally posted by 123KIDMaybe your right so ill concede.
far as i know she restored it through contact with the Exile
like i said take it up with Traya she said it not me
Originally posted by 123KIDOk.
obviously i meant she knows more about herself than you do
Because he is INSIDE the ravager you idiot. But again can you prove that he saw nihilus lifting his fleet?
that doesn't mean he knows Nihilus TK'ed the Ravager off of Malachor retard
and since he was right about that i'm saying he's right about the fleet until you prove otherwise
He happens to be right about one part simply because he is inside the ship, and he knew it came from malachor and the fact that its backed up by out of universe sources whereas there is nothing to back tobins claim of him lifting the entire fleet.
so he was right about that one part without being there
gotcha
Infact all the pictures i posted DISPROVES his claims because they appear undamaged.Have you forgot that the MSG CRUSHES ships and does SEVERE exterior damage to the ships? If they came from malachor, WHY are the other sith interdictors appear undamaged?
already addressed this
don't put your ASSumtpions in a factual debate
he said he pulled the fleet from Malachor but does he say the fleet contains the ships present ?
no ?
then don't bring up your baseless theories
Theres a rule when it comes to debating, you made a claim, it is your duty to PROVE it. I'm not going to do your homework for you.And yet you still fail to realise that the burden of proof falls on you.
already did
you ignored it and made up shit
not my problem
HA, and was tobin there to witness it?
was he there to witness the Ravager ?
no ?
then come back when you have proof he's wrong and not your baseless claims
Hell going by third part quotes, i guess revan is really stronger than your precious nihilus because she labelled him "like staring at the heart of the force"
you really are reaching here
comparing hyperbole to a statement about an event ?
i guess Palpatine is a blackhole then lol
your analogies suck
Secondly everything else says he is wrong, the loading screen, the undamaged ships which appeared at telos IV.
A. the loading screen only mentions one part that does not mean the other does nto exist
B. your ASSumptions the ships we see are the ships Tobin claims were pulled from Malachor don't mean anything to me
LOL and that was his FLEET at telos IV! As tobin was so fond of pointing out that it came from malachor.
and his fleet was exclusively compsosed of his ships ?
considering he allied with Onderona nd Tobin he probably got ships elsewhere just like he got Sith troopers elsewhere
he built up his army
So tell me, if those ships weren't his, what exactly was his fleet? The bunch of sith fighters flying next to his ship?
how should i know ?
i'm making a hypothetical based on all available information
Originally posted by 123KIDOk, ill address your posts.
that doesn't mean he knows Nihilus TK'ed the Ravager off of Malachor retard
and since he was right about that i'm saying he's right about the fleet until you prove otherwise
Originally posted by 123KIDDoes it mean he would be right about the other?
so he was right about that one part without being there
gotcha
Originally posted by 123KIDThen where is his "fleet" dumbass? How big was the "fleet"? Was does he fleet contain? What ships were present in his "fleet"?
already addressed this
don't put your ASSumtpions in a factual debate
he said he pulled the fleet from Malachor but does he say the fleet contains the ships present ?
no ?
then don't bring up your baseless theories
Why wasn't his "fleet" present at malachor V?
Again his "fleet" could have been made up of small tiny sith fighters which could have been present in the hanger bay of the ravager.
Your under the assumption that he lifted big ass ships all at the same time while at the same time even YOU admit you don't know where the ships are.
Dude, i'm under the assumption that the ships we saw at telos IV was his "fleet".
Oh right this brings up another question, why would he force lift other starships when there is nobody to command those ships?
Again define "fleet".
Maybe the whole reason why the loading screen only mentioned the ravager is simply due to the small fighters being present in the hanger.
Originally posted by 123KIDSee the below.
already did
you ignored it and made up shit
not my problem
Originally posted by 123KIDOk fine, assuming he is right, ill bring out a few questions.was he there to witness the Ravager ?
no ?
then come back when you have proof he's wrong and not your baseless claims
What did his fleet contain?
What ships?
Were there any starships?
How big was it?
Why weren't they present at telox IV?
So really, the extent as to how big his fleet was, or what it even contained is unknown.
And i seriously doubt he lifted other starships as he is already holding his own ship together and at that time there would be no others to hold the other starships together.
Originally posted by 123KIDTobins statement could very well ve a hyperbole statement, as we have never really seen this fleet.
you really are reaching here
comparing hyperbole to a statement about an event ?
i guess Palpatine is a blackhole then lol
your analogies suck
Originally posted by 123KIDAgain you have to define a fleet to get more clear on the issue, hell a few dozen sith fighters swirling around the ravager can be considered a fleet and when we see the ravager approach telos IV with his sigh fighters, THAT could be the almighty fleet he lifted.
A. the loading screen only mentions one part that does not mean the other does nto exist
Originally posted by 123KIDExactly, i'm under the assumption that was his fleet. But now since you said it isn't really the ships he pulled, ill go by your assumption.
B. your ASSumptions the ships we see are the ships Tobin claims were pulled from Malachor don't mean anything to me
Originally posted by 123KIDYet all we see at telos IV are sith ships, onderon does not manufacture those kind of ships, the star forge does.
and his fleet was exclusively compsosed of his ships ?
considering he allied with Onderona nd Tobin he probably got ships elsewhere just like he got Sith troopers elsewhere
he built up his army
Originally posted by 123KIDGood. Because his "fleet" could be merely the dozens of sith fighter ships swirling around the ravager and the fact that his "fleet" which is the fighter ships could have been present in the ravagers hanger at the time it was pulled out of malachor.
how should i know ?
i'm making a hypothetical based on all available information
Originally posted by 123KIDThat means strength in that particular expertise, nothing more. That's like saying just because someone runs faster than Donovan Bailey and Jesse Owens put together, that he can beat the Governator in an arm-wrestling competition. Two different fields, both stem from energy and power, but that doesn't mean their the same.
she's only talking about lightsaber combati never said Nihilus was #2 lightsaber duelist
he kills whole planets with ease
any other Sith ever done this ?
no ?
then he is stronger than them