Actually, it's not, as it's C-Canon and thus in the EU continuity, I've proven that by posting the Holocron's stance.
What I was saying is that it is obscure with respect to the details on the ancient Sith.
And he doesn't detail next to nothing, he says what we actually know about them. This author worked with KJA to write about the Ancient Sith! He was using almost entirely what KJA wrote in the first Chronology and KJA CREATED the Ancients.
Sorry but I need to see a direct statement, showing what Sadow accomplished according to NEC, and how Sidious compares in terms of feats. Put it in context so that it won't appear like we are having featz warz. Scan, do what you will but show me what they say about Sadow, Kressh, and Ragnos. Take your time, I am in no hurry.
Also the strongest sith in history can have many meanings. History dating back to what time? History is constantly revised as new facts are discovered. To Palpatine and the Sith of the PT, the nature of the ancient Sith was still obscure. If Palpatine were stronger than Ragnos and Sadow, he would have demonstrated abilities far greater than simple force lightning in his duels with Mace and Yoda.
And the Chronology covers the movies AND the EU, don't try that. It's "In history."
Again "in history" is too ambiguous to describe himself as the most powerful, especially when the ancient Sith Lords have demonstrated feats on such a great scale.
So what it's obscure! There's hardly any info on them as is! According to NEC, Sadow took over the Sith via treachery, lost the Great Hyperspace war and trained Freedon Nadd. That's the rundown.
In history...y'know, this book was only covering from....what, 100,000 years to Yoda vs. Palp at that point? That sure as HELL seems a complete history. And once more: Lucas was making the movies...Ragnos never shwoed a SINGLE ability and all we saw Sadow personally do without his ship was fire a gun and toss a rock with the force. Palpatine has destroyed fleets and razed worlds.
Ok, DE describes him a strongest of all time, I've mentioned that...and in a book of STAR WARS HISTORY DATING BACK TO dozens of millenia even before the Ancient Sith, I think in history can be taken pretty clearly!
In history...y'know, this book was only covering from....what, 100,000 years to Yoda vs. Palp at that point? That sure as HELL seems a complete history. And once more: Lucas was making the movies...Ragnos never shwoed a SINGLE ability and all we saw Sadow personally do without his ship was fire a gun and toss a rock with the force. Palpatine has destroyed fleets and razed worlds.
Yet Ragnos showed that he had sufficient power in the force to create a scepter that could drain planets, even in the hands of a weakling such as Tavion. This is Tavion, as in the the Sith that noob Kyle Katarn defeated. Ragnos would be far stronger. Sadow was also able to destroy a star, you have to look at TOTJ.
He states that he has a plan for the Republic ships attacking him. With that his eyes start glowing and his amulet crackles with energy. Afterwards you see a gargantuan storm striking the heart of a Star, and the star later explodes. Not enough? Take into account what Exar Kun was able to do with the amulets. Being less powerful than Sadow, he could use the amulets to channel his own force energy. He created blasts of pure dark side energy that tore through Sith Worms, with no apparent cool down. Also he froze an entire senate full of thousands of people. At the hands of Sadow, far more devastation would have ensued.
Kressh and Sadow were nevertheless afraid of dueling Ragnos...even when the Sith Lord was on his death bed. Mind you, Sadow did not fancy Ragnos. Kressh... you know how important power is to a Sith Lord. At any oppurtunity given, he will try and obtain power, even if it means killing his former master. Yet he did not have the nerve to collaborate with Sadow and accomplish this end.
Ok, DE describes him a strongest of all time, I've mentioned that...and in a book of STAR WARS HISTORY DATING BACK TO dozens of millenia even before the Ancient Sith, I think in history can be taken pretty clearly!
Again, with the knowledge of what the ancient sith could do, history could mean the history of PT and Russan, not the history which refers to KOTOR and TOTJ, which far predates the history of PT. If you wish to argue otherwise, then it would be illogical. The feats of the ancient Sith still outshine Sidious.
PRove he created it. Prove Kun was less powerful than Sadow. Prove KRessh and Sadow were scared of dueling Ragnos. I provided evidence Kressh didn't because he loved Ragnos. Kressh doted on him, even in death and Sadow just wanted him to die...if Sadow tried ANYTHING, he didn't have the support amongst the Sith like Kressh did...he was a firebrand and disliked heavily.
And no, they really don't, because Sidious's feats were described as the greatest usage of the darkside ever, so...and what could they do ON THEIR OWN? No technology or artifacts? And in history referred to the history of Star Wars and Dark Empire said most powerful OF ALL TIME. STOP IGNORING WHAT I SAY. When did a Sith raise a worl and drain the energy from trillions or destroy a fleet? You're illogical. This is the blind fanboyism I'm talking about. And Palpatine is, in several places declared the most powerful Sith EVER, the only one who ever unbalanced the Force by EXISTING. Seriously, STOP ARGUING THE SEMANTICS.
This is a book on Star Wars history dating back to dozens of millenia before the Sith Empire and covers the empire WITH WHAT KJA, WHO CREATED THE EMPIRE HIMSELF WROTE, and Dan Wallace who worked with KJA declared Palpatine the most powerful IN HISTORY. In history means 'ever', get it?
In dark Empire, the DE sourcebook and Empire's End, Palp's called the strongest Sith ever, not just the NEC
PRove he created it.
It was Ragnos's SCEPTER. Tavion took it. OF COURSE he created it.
Prove Kun was less powerful than Sadow.
There are a whole bunch of quotes from Kreia, one of which states that they make the Jedi/Dark Jedi of her age look like "children with toys." Yes, this also includes Exar Kun!
Prove KRessh and Sadow were scared of dueling Ragnos. I provided evidence Kressh didn't because he loved Ragnos. Kressh doted on him, even in death and Sadow just wanted him to die...
Kressh loved Ragnos? What a silly notion. Do you not know that the only thing the Sith value is power? There is no room for love, they cannot comprehend it. It is the mantra of the Sith, power above all else.
if Sadow tried ANYTHING, he didn't have the support amongst the Sith like Kressh did...he was a firebrand and disliked heavily
Yes, which is exactly why he was able to rally the entire council of Sith Lords to his favour... 😕
Right...just like Sadow created his sword, except Tritos Nal created it. Proof please.
Because KReia is right and was including eXar Kun in that statement, right.
Um...no, Kressh doted on Marka and says he was the most loyal of all Marka's servants. He is clearly shown to have great loyalty for Marka to contrast with Sadow...in fact, he heeds MArka's commands even in death. And you know the Sith were shocked and heartbroken over Simus's death? One Sith called him the noblest of them all and another said "They killed Old Simus...They are MONSTERS!" Mroeover, Ulic Qel-Droma and Anakin didn't 'only love power,' Simus didn't care for power in GaoTS...
And notice I was speaking about Sadow PRIOR to Ragnos's death?
Right...just like Sadow created his sword, except Tritos Nal created it. Proof please.
Ragnos was the greatest Sith alchemist and strongest warrior of his time. Fact. Even if someone else created the scepter, it only boosts his image because it shows that he is capable of so much more.
Because KReia is right and was including eXar Kun in that statement, right.
Deny it if you wish, but she said "force users of our time." Fourty years difference means nothing compared to the gap seperating the ancient Sith.
Um...no, Kressh doted on Marka and says he was the most loyal of all Marka's servants. He is clearly shown to have great loyalty for Marka to contrast with Sadow...
Except you are ignoring the fact that Ragnos was THE Sith Lord. As apprentices, Sadow and Kressh would be obliged to challenge Ragnos to a duel. Again, the importance of power.
in fact, he heeds MArka's commands even in death. "
And you know the Sith were shocked and heartbroken over Simus's death? One Sith called him the noblest of them all and another said "They killed Old Simus...They are MONSTERS
I'd like to hear the alchemist and warrior quote proven...
Kreia refers only to Tulak Hord in that quote and his saber skills. Sadow was two thousand years after Hord.
Umm...Kressh and Sadow were lords when Ragnos became Dark Lord, by their laws, they couldn't challenge him after he became the DLoTS
Kressh is seen to be talking about fulfilling Marka's last command and how he was the most loyal to Marka when he's ALONE.
No, it was sorrow. Simus had only a century since being bested and was ancient when he actually lost...they call him the most noble amongst them and call the Republic monsters for 'murdering' him...one says "He...always shared his wisdom...he never failed us."
Ragnos and Simus fought to see who'd become the Dark Lord and when Simus dies, Sadow says he remembers the day on the council when Simus fell to Marka...moreover, Freedon Nadd fled the Sith because another he felt was weaker than him was elected Sith Lord in his place.
Hord's also pretty much been confirmed to have ruled after Dathka Graush as one of the original exiled Jedi or a very recent descendant. Ajunta Pall's assumed to be the first DLotS now
Originally posted by tdtd
Simus was the DLOTS before Ragnos. And no Hord wasn't confirmed nothing, you're getting your shit from answers.com and a bunch of other non canon sources, I know because I read that crap a few days ago. And again you're wrong, Xendor was the first dark jedi. Stop speaking please.
TDTD have you been taking lessons from IKC?