Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Solid Snake versus Cyborg Ninja is PIS. There's no other way to look at it since we have never been told if CN was holding back. I mean if Cyborg Ninja survived getting rammed by Metal Gear's cockpit without even graoning how can Snake's punches cause him pain? The same goes for Vamp getting owned by Raiden. Given Vamp's and Cyborg Ninja's feats they should have never lost to Raiden and Snake.If memory doesn't fail me Gray Fox in the exoskelleton surpases Vamp's strength by a long shot. I'd like to see Vamp stop Metal Gear Rex's from stomping someone with his strength alone. Since he hasn't the only showing of strength from his part lies in holding a man by his throat? Wow that's impressive...not.
Speedwise Vamp's fast enough to run on water. I give him that. Could he be fast enough to dodge REX's heavy fire? Maybe he could maybe he could not. They are both fast enough to deflect bullets. Nice. It is unclear to me as to who may be faster.
As for the resistance Vamp's got plenty of it, but it still does not compare to Cyborg Ninja's. Vamp's survived getting shot in the forhead by Raiden's S.O.C.O.M, and Cyborg Ninja survived getting hit by REX's heavy artillergy. He also had his left arm sliced off by REX's laser. He endured getting rammed against a wall by REX's cockpit and then getting stomped twice. In my point of view getting rammed by REX's cockpit alone would make a mess out of Vamp's body.
You mentioned the freezing stuff earlier. What makes you so certain it will work on Cyborg Ninja? While I hate using gameplay elements I find myself forced this time. Raiden was able to dodge Vamp's freeze stunt by cartwheeling. Cyborg Ninja is far more acrobatic and faster than Raiden. I really don't see it working on Fox. True Vamp may be immortal. However what will he do when he finds himself losing his head from his body? Fox can dodge REX's heavy artillery, Vamp's knives will do nothing against him in the fight. Vamp will not be able to predict Cyborg Ninja's moves. If Raiden's suit prevented Vamp from telling his moves; what do you think will happen when he tries to read someone wearing an exo-skelleton?
His goal by coming to Shadow moses was to fight Snake again. He said he would not get any peace until he fought Snake to the death, and that he did. We saw Fox getting pwned badly. How can someone fake getting hit in a metal suit? By as far as we know, Snake would have broke his legs and hands if he punched like that, but apparently he could.
Fox also hit him with swords and tossed a giant part of the roof against Snake, if Snake had not dodged those he would have been dead for sure. Snake defeated him end of story....
And you make it seem like Fox speed > Everything Snake has. That is not true. You guys have never played Metal Gear 1 and 2 before have you? There Snake defeates a guy named "running man" or something like that. He is the fastest man alive, Snake defeates him without much struggeling. He did it thanks to his skill and his wit. Then he defeated a man who was incredibly strong, THEN he also defeats Big Boss when he has a machine gun and Snake is UNARMED, again thanks to his skill, speed and wit. Big Boss was the best soldier every and Snake was a rookie. He also completed a mission Fox didn't get near completing and he defeated Fox in a battle after getting through a helluva place. Now, for a long time Fox has near dead and revived by a serum and the exo skeleton. So nothing should really have improved on Fox except his speed and his strenght. Apparently, Snake has defeated people who relied on these feats AND Snake has gotten even better and more experienced than when he faced Fox before. I think it is pretty ****ing likley Snake defeated him fair and square....
Really, the only time I've seen Fox match Vamp in speed was when he freaked out thanks to the drugs he got in his suit. That made him go berserk and was not able to control himself. He is not good in this state, only faster and stronger...
It is more likley that Vamp if any, faked against Raiden. There were many times he could have killed him there, and so could many people have done. Raiden was supposed to have survived, it was the S3 systems plan, to make it look like a new Shadow Moses.
Me too, to bad we won't. But he showed incredible strenght by tossing knifes through helmets and killing instantly that way, and almost causing Snake too loose his arm by one punch, then almost rendering him unconscious by grabing his forehead.
Vamp would easily dodge Rex fire. He dodged fire from several machine guns at the same time, without even leaving his position. And these were fired from experienced Navy Seals and marksmen, and from a pretty close distance too. I doubt he would have to budge an inch when dodging Rex canons. As we saw from Fox, he had to run all over the place when he lost his sword....
What? When Fox lost his arm he was no longer being able to fight. He didn't even manage to dodge the slow knee of Metal Gear. He clearly reacted to it (screaming before it comes) but was too wounded. Just that he didn't die speaks nothing for him really...
I doubt Vamp would die easily. How do we know his bones are breakable, if he even has any. He is a vampire, his head got shot twice by a SOCOM and once by a PSG-1. That thing could shoot someone with such an impact that they would fly over 10 meters, and has mm Nato ammo which pierces through armour and is really deadly normally. If that would not crack his skull then what would?
Of course Fox should be able to dodge the freezing stuff, but exactly under what circomstances? Vamp could throw one when they are throwing hits at eachother or seeing where Fox is going to land, it also only has to be close to him...
And Vamp could read Raiden's moves, he did several times in the beginning. He can see how Fox moves by looking at his metal suit, he does not need to see his skin, harder to read muscles but an expert in reading it anyway....