grey fox vs vamp

Originally posted by samishe
So if Fox was running during dodging it means he is slower??

His arm wasn't bleeding, you can't tell that he "almost" smashed his arm. Yes it hurt him so what? It doesn't prove anything, he had to rest. Doesn't prove that he almost lost his arm. How can you really concider that he almost lost it? After that incident he took numerous armed soldiers, fought Fortune and jumped from arsenal gear. He couldn't have done that if his arm was that damaged.

So we should concider that Vamp would be tossing them during the whole fight? Even if so Fox would react easilly.

During the gameplay Vamp sometimes was jumping down. He was trying to cut raiden and this attack was really slow. And he also was a peace of cake int the game.

Come on man. According to you Vamp bowed to Raiden and sank instantly. Vamp hasn't any other bullets because it would be just stupid. Such things are showed only in cutsence, never during the gameplay.
Raiden obviously defeated him in the fair fight and since Vamp is tough it's almost for sure that the fight lasted for sometime. Vamp can stay underwater for long so he'd never sink for no reason...

It shows that Vamp was much better at seeing the shots coming and alot faster at dodging, he had a much easier time doing it. I would grant that as very good moving speed... And my point wasen't that he was running at the same time, he did not do it half as effectivly as Vamp did, and that Vamp did not need to move is another point. The thing is though, Vamp cannot spin just like that, then the shots would hit him. It can't be that they bounce of him either. He must move to fast to be seen to the sides, faster than anything Fox has shown. Yes, I'd put that as proof of speed....

Yes it was, why do you think he needed bandage and a drug on his arm?
Mabey I overreacted when I said almost punched of his arm, but Fox did the same (but he kicked and was an in-air overhead kick, which would be much harder) and it didn't hurt Snake a bit. Also the thing was that Vamp aimed for the gun, which would again prove effective if he actually was going to punch the shit out of him....
Snake was useless at the exact moment after he hit his arm, even minutes after, he had to sleep to go on, so he was pretty much defeated at that point....

??? lol.

WTF. Ok let's compare them in gameplay. Fox cannot reach him because he is really slow and gets hit alot on the ground, he cannot parry his knifes because they come over his head which is impossible for him to parry. Vamp is damn fast when running and striking, Fox is not....

Seriousley, did you see Vamp toyed those Navy Seals? Sure, Fox did the same to some guards, when he was invisible (they didn't know WTF was going on, they even thought it was a ghost) and revealed himself when there was one guard left...

Mabey he didn't sink instantly, mabey Raiden shot at him, he tried to dodged and lost his control over the water and fell down. And even if he got shot does not mean that Raiden won, it means Vamp failed to kill him because he was dragged underwater...
And showing another bullet wound would not be useless, why did they do it in the first place?

And don't you think that swiming in a water that would kill a man instantly when getting it in his lungs and would drag him to the bottom in a second is impressive? He did it for a hell of a long time too...

IMO I think threads with Vamp should be delayed because we don't know if he can even be killed. From what we know, he can't, but when MGS 4 comes out, we will find out. It is impossible to say really...

Vamp has this one.

For one Vamp took on "The Solid Snake" even when Snake had the advantage. Vamp got him by the throat and lifted him off the ground.

Secondly it is seen that when Vamp leaps over Raiden and lands behind him, Raiden is still turning around and was only spared by Snakes incoming fire.

Thirdly Vamp was shot in the head by a PSG-1 and survived.

You can't concider that Vamp is as strong as Fox only becauser he MIGHT have hold Rex foot. Otacon never was in situation where he had to support such weight, so we should assume that he POSSIBLY could do that? Come on!

Its called deduction. You don't seem to understand that. Vamp for one would never have the need to be stepped on by Metal Gear Rex.

There is a difference in being stamped on by a big foot and being stabbed. The only thing it proves is that Fox has strong arms and thats all. Sure if Metal Gear Rex's foot was shaped like a knife it would have sliced through Fox no problem because of its decreased surface area.

Originally posted by kamikz
It shows that Vamp was much better at seeing the shots coming and alot faster at dodging, he had a much easier time doing it. I would grant that as very good moving speed... And my point wasen't that he was running at the same time, he did not do it half as effectivly as Vamp did, and that Vamp did not need to move is another point. The thing is though, Vamp cannot spin just like that, then the shots would hit him. It can't be that they bounce of him either. He must move to fast to be seen to the sides, faster than anything Fox has shown. Yes, I'd put that as proof of speed....

Yes it was, why do you think he needed bandage and a drug on his arm?
Mabey I overreacted when I said almost punched of his arm, but Fox did the same (but he kicked and was an in-air overhead kick, which would be much harder) and it didn't hurt Snake a bit. Also the thing was that Vamp aimed for the gun, which would again prove effective if he actually was going to punch the shit out of him....
Snake was useless at the exact moment after he hit his arm, even minutes after, he had to sleep to go on, so he was pretty much defeated at that point....

??? lol.

WTF. Ok let's compare them in gameplay. Fox cannot reach him because he is really slow and gets hit alot on the ground, he cannot parry his knifes because they come over his head which is impossible for him to parry. Vamp is damn fast when running and striking, Fox is not....

Seriousley, did you see Vamp toyed those Navy Seals? Sure, Fox did the same to some guards, when he was invisible (they didn't know WTF was going on, they even thought it was a ghost) and revealed himself when there was one guard left...

Mabey he didn't sink instantly, mabey Raiden shot at him, he tried to dodged and lost his control over the water and fell down. And even if he got shot does not mean that Raiden won, it means Vamp failed to kill him because he was dragged underwater...
And showing another bullet wound would not be useless, why did they do it in the first place?

And don't you think that swiming in a water that would kill a man instantly when getting it in his lungs and would drag him to the bottom in a second is impressive? He did it for a hell of a long time too...

IMO I think threads with Vamp should be delayed because we don't know if he can even be killed. From what we know, he can't, but when MGS 4 comes out, we will find out. It is impossible to say really...

Fox even not in stealth mode was moving as fast as Vamp was ziping to the walls.

Even when Snake was sleeping with his damaged hand he was ready to kill Raiden if he aimed at him. He really wasn't that hurt, he simply was tired.

I don't know where Fox kicked Snake cause as i already said a never played twin snakes and i don't remember anything like that in MGS. But even if so, effect of simple kick may not last as long as if someone with superpowers squezzed your hand.

In the gameplay Vamp wasn't capable of dodging stinger, granades and even punches. Not a very good feat in his favour. Fox is as fast in striking as Vamp. Try to remember Vamp's attack on the ground, it was as if he was a normal human. He was running over Raiden and trying to stab him. It was slow and easy to dodge.

Vamp wasn't killed by that water because of one reason, water is his source of life. Actually water keeps him alive. So he should've taken some hard beating from Raiden to sink in his own "source of life".

Originally posted by Zen2nd
Vamp has this one.

For one Vamp took on "The Solid Snake" even when Snake had the advantage. Vamp got him by the throat and lifted him off the ground.

Secondly it is seen that when Vamp leaps over Raiden and lands behind him, Raiden is still turning around and was only spared by Snakes incoming fire.

So Raiden wasn't fast enough to turn around but was fast enough to react at Snake's shout and lie on the ground? And he was fast enough to defeat Vamp one-on-one.

Originally posted by samishe
Fox even not in stealth mode was moving as fast as Vamp was ziping to the walls.

Even when Snake was sleeping with his damaged hand he was ready to kill Raiden if he aimed at him. He really wasn't that hurt, he simply was tired.

I don't know where Fox kicked Snake cause as i already said a never played twin snakes and i don't remember anything like that in MGS. But even if so, effect of simple kick may not last as long as if someone with superpowers squezzed your hand.

In the gameplay Vamp wasn't capable of dodging stinger, granades and even punches. Not a very good feat in his favour. Fox is as fast in striking as Vamp. Try to remember Vamp's attack on the ground, it was as if he was a normal human. He was running over Raiden and trying to stab him. It was slow and easy to dodge.

Vamp wasn't killed by that water because of one reason, water is his source of life. Actually water keeps him alive. So he should've taken some hard beating from Raiden to sink in his own "source of life".

When was Fox doing that?

LOL Hell no. That was just a fun point, and Snake was indeed wounded. He had not been at Big Shell for long, why would he need to sleep if he was not wounded? Snake even said he needed to do it because of his hand. And you could shoot Snake in the head and he would still shoot back. "zOMG Snake can take bullets to the head"....

Ok well play it. And nowhere in the normal MGS does he show the calibre of speed that Vamp shows. Also, Vamp could not squeez. How can you squeez someones hand in 1/2 a second and cause their weapon to FLY out of their hands? He just hit him that's all....

Why do you still judge gameplay? Vamp was very capable, even there, to dodge stingers, he just jumped to the other side and they flew into the wall. Fox was very slow in gameplay, you could out run him easily, and if you closed the distance Fox sucked. Vamp was also one hell of a tougher boss than Fox... stop comparing gameplay anyway....

What? Where is you're proof? As far as I'm conserned, I was the one that brought up that ASSUMPTION up on this forum, there is really nothing to tell that is is his source of life, why would it be? He said himself, "I cannot die twice".

Originally posted by samishe
So Raiden wasn't fast enough to turn around but was fast enough to react at Snake's shout and lie on the ground? And he was fast enough to defeat Vamp one-on-one.

There, you just proved Vamp's speed. He was jumping behind him faster than Snake could shout, "get down". And when Snake shot, Vamp was already gone.. And Raiden only prolonged Vamp from killing him...

Originally posted by kamikz
When was Fox doing that?

LOL Hell no. That was just a fun point, and Snake was indeed wounded. He had not been at Big Shell for long, why would he need to sleep if he was not wounded? Snake even said he needed to do it because of his hand. And you could shoot Snake in the head and he would still shoot back. "zOMG Snake can take bullets to the head"....

Ok well play it. And nowhere in the normal MGS does he show the calibre of speed that Vamp shows. Also, Vamp could not squeez. How can you squeez someones hand in 1/2 a second and cause their weapon to FLY out of their hands? He just hit him that's all....

Why do you still judge gameplay? Vamp was very capable, even there, to dodge stingers, he just jumped to the other side and they flew into the wall. Fox was very slow in gameplay, you could out run him easily, and if you closed the distance Fox sucked. Vamp was also one hell of a tougher boss than Fox... stop comparing gameplay anyway....

What? Where is you're proof? As far as I'm conserned, I was the one that brought up that ASSUMPTION up on this forum, there is really nothing to tell that is is his source of life, why would it be? He said himself, "I cannot die twice".

Big Boss was sleeping in that hause in MGS3 after he met Eva. And he wasn't wounded. So why shouldn't Snake?

Never shown? How about when he cuts ocelot's hand? Or during the fight?

You are the one who started judging gameplay. You said Fox wasn't taugh during that fight. So i said that Vamp wasn't either and Raiden was capable of punching him in close combat.

You are not the one who brought that assumptioned it was obvious since MGS2 came out. Have you noticed that eveytime after being "killed" Vamp somehow contacts with water? First time when Fortune cried at him, second during the fight, third time during the head shot on the bridge.

Originally posted by kamikz
There, you just proved Vamp's speed. He was jumping behind him faster than Snake could shout, "get down". And when Snake shot, Vamp was already gone.. And Raiden only prolonged Vamp from killing him...

I just proved that Vamp wasn't fast enough to cut Raiden in the time that was enough for Raiden to listen to Snake and get to the ground.

Originally posted by samishe
Big Boss was sleeping in that hause in MGS3 after he met Eva. And he wasn't wounded. So why shouldn't Snake?

Never shown? How about when he cuts ocelot's hand? Or during the fight?

You are the one who started judging gameplay. You said Fox wasn't taugh during that fight. So i said that Vamp wasn't either and Raiden was capable of punching him in close combat.

You are not the one who brought that assumptioned it was obvious since MGS2 came out. Have you noticed that eveytime after being "killed" Vamp somehow contacts with water? First time when Fortune cried at him, second during the fight, third time during the head shot on the bridge.

OMG. So if Big Boss sleeps DURING NIGHT TIME and has just crashed with a shuttle, having his hand trampled by a horse, having being beaten by the Boss and fighting a whole bunch of guards on the way, this means Snake will do the same when he has entered the mission 10 minutes ago? Seriousley, he even pointed out that he needed REST because of his hand..And Big Boss had all reason to sleep too. And I repeat, it was night...

When he cut Ocelot's hand, he sat in the roof and was on his way down AND was invisible, wow, great speed...
During the fight? You mean the cut scene where he gets his ass kicked by Snake?

LMAO, no you judged from gameplay first. I showed you by using you're exact arguments of gameplay by saying Fox is slow, and you continued. You were the one who first brought up, "Vamp is slow during gameplay, you can easily kick him when he runs with his knifes".

I said, first one on this forum. And it is still an assumption, just because of that doesen't mean it is true. How exactly does water heal him? When he was 10 the whole church he was in blew up, every one died except him. He also got a pierced by a cross through his stomach. There, he did not need water.... It could be coincidence, especially since he said himself that he has already died once and cannot die again....

Originally posted by samishe
I just proved that Vamp wasn't fast enough to cut Raiden in the time that was enough for Raiden to listen to Snake and get to the ground.

Have you seen that cut scene? Vamp just stands there and looks at Raiden. Then he slowly starts raising his hand when Snake fires. By then, Vamp is already gone.

Originally posted by kamikz
OMG. So if Big Boss sleeps DURING NIGHT TIME and has just crashed with a shuttle, having his hand trampled by a horse, having being beaten by the Boss and fighting a whole bunch of guards on the way, this means Snake will do the same when he has entered the mission 10 minutes ago? Seriousley, he even pointed out that he needed REST because of his hand..And Big Boss had all reason to sleep too. And I repeat, it was night...

When he cut Ocelot's hand, he sat in the roof and was on his way down AND was invisible, wow, great speed...
During the fight? You mean the cut scene where he gets his ass kicked by Snake?

LMAO, no you judged from gameplay first. I showed you by using you're exact arguments of gameplay by saying Fox is slow, and you continued. You were the one who first brought up, "Vamp is slow during gameplay, you can easily kick him when he runs with his knifes".

I said, first one on this forum. And it is still an assumption, just because of that doesen't mean it is true. How exactly does water heal him? When he was 10 the whole church he was in blew up, every one died except him. He also got a pierced by a cross through his stomach. There, he did not need water.... It could be coincidence, especially since he said himself that he has already died once and cannot die again....

Big Boss was in the middle of the mission aswell and you know forget about it. It doesn't really matter why he fell asleep, it was just obvious that his hand was just fine in a half of hour. Fox was grapping soldiers and smashing them to walls so they were dieing instantly. So again that damaging hand is NOT impressive.

Vamp was shot by a sniper rifle from a great distance when he was hiding behind Emma. WOW! What a great reaction and speed!
Do you know how fast bullets fly? If you look at scene where Fox dodging Rex in slow mo you can see that he is moving almost as fast as bullets that he dodge.

😆 Whatever. You said it first on this forum... But it was kinda obvious to me when i played MGS2. So if he can't die twice why the hell he was lieing there unconcious for some time before Fortune started crying?

Originally posted by kamikz
Have you seen that cut scene? Vamp just stands there and looks at Raiden. Then he slowly starts raising his hand when Snake fires. By then, Vamp is already gone.

So he killed ten soldiers but made an acception for Raiden? Why is that? If he really had enough time why didn't he killed him?

Originally posted by samishe
Big Boss was in the middle of the mission aswell and you know forget about it. It doesn't really matter why he fell asleep, it was just obvious that his hand was just fine in a half of hour. Fox was grapping soldiers and smashing them to walls so they were dieing instantly. So again that damaging hand is NOT impressive.

Vamp was shot by a sniper rifle from a great distance when he was hiding behind Emma. WOW! What a great reaction and speed!
Do you know how fast bullets fly? If you look at scene where Fox dodging Rex in slow mo you can see that he is moving almost as fast as bullets that he dodge.

😆 Whatever. You said it first on this forum... But it was kinda obvious to me when i played MGS2. So if he can't die twice why the hell he was lieing there unconcious for some time before Fortune started crying?

Snake was in the beginning of the mission, he had not fought yet, not much anyway.

Yes it is. After 1 attack, Snake was almost unconscious and could not do a shit to defend himself against Vamp, they both survived because Vamp was going to pick up the president. Snake rested because his hand was wounded. Those things were more than anything Fox did to Snake. Sure, Fox managed to kill some of the guards when he was invicible, but they were still only guards that would not be anything against Snake, Snake took Fox down.

What? He had been shot in the head before, and just came out of the water after he had stayed there for a miraculasley long time. And tell me, how do you dodge a bullet from a sniper you don't see, and how do you dodge it when you're holding a person and your cutting her throat? Vamp did not realise that Emma was being guarded by Raiden with a sniper and there is nothing he could do.
Did you miss the cut scene where Vamp dodges fire easily as hell when Raiden is about 2-3 meters away from him and firing an M-16, full auto.
I could say as well that Fox got hit when he was fighting Rex, who only fired 2 machine guns and from a far away distance. zOMG, Fox suxs..

He wasen't prepared mabey. Mabey it took him some time to be revived, who knows, it is still only an assumption. And how would water heal him? His skull should have cracked each and every time, and his brain should have been blown away. Water does not heal that.... He is a vampire btw, they are pretty much unkillable.

Something is telling me that we are doing this over and over again, and no one is agreeing with the other. Seems like a waste of time....

Originally posted by samishe
So he killed ten soldiers but made an acception for Raiden? Why is that? If he really had enough time why didn't he killed him?

The S3 system. (Solid Snake Simulation). A wannabe Shadow moses, to prove that anyone could be Solid Snake, even a rookie. Everything was scheduled by the patriots, they planned for Raiden to survive...

Originally posted by kamikz
Snake was in the beginning of the mission, he had not fought yet, not much anyway.

Yes it is. After 1 attack, Snake was almost unconscious and could not do a shit to defend himself against Vamp, they both survived because Vamp was going to pick up the president. Snake rested because his hand was wounded. Those things were more than anything Fox did to Snake. Sure, Fox managed to kill some of the guards when he was invicible, but they were still only guards that would not be anything against Snake, Snake took Fox down.

What? He had been shot in the head before, and just came out of the water after he had stayed there for a miraculasley long time. And tell me, how do you dodge a bullet from a sniper you don't see, and how do you dodge it when you're holding a person and your cutting her throat? Vamp did not realise that Emma was being guarded by Raiden with a sniper and there is nothing he could do.
Did you miss the cut scene where Vamp dodges fire easily as hell when Raiden is about 2-3 meters away from him and firing an M-16, full auto.
I could say as well that Fox got hit when he was fighting Rex, who only fired 2 machine guns and from a far away distance. zOMG, Fox suxs..

He wasen't prepared mabey. Mabey it took him some time to be revived, who knows, it is still only an assumption. And how would water heal him? His skull should have cracked each and every time, and his brain should have been blown away. Water does not heal that.... He is a vampire btw, they are pretty much unkillable.

Something is telling me that we are doing this over and over again, and no one is agreeing with the other. Seems like a waste of time....

Yeah he almost killed Snake and Raiden and then was defeated by Raiden only. And what did you expect to see when they present a new villian? Yes, they showed him a badass but then he lost like all others.

First of all he new Raiden is aiming at him, he was looking right at you and was on purpose hiding behind Emma.

😂 Fox sux... 😂 Sounds like a fanboy.

He wasn't ready? For what? For being killed? You know if you can recover in 15 seconds after your brain is shot you're supposed to be able to recover in two seconds aswell.

Quit then 😄

Originally posted by kamikz
The S3 system. (Solid Snake Simulation). A wannabe Shadow moses, to prove that anyone could be Solid Snake, even a rookie. Everything was scheduled by the patriots, they planned for Raiden to survive...

And they also planned to repeat Snake's story with Raiden instead of Snake. And Vamp BTW was a replacement for Fox. Just like Solidus for Big boss.

Originally posted by samishe
Yeah he almost killed Snake and Raiden and then was defeated by Raiden only. And what did you expect to see when they present a new villian? Yes, they showed him a badass but then he lost like all others.

First of all he new Raiden is aiming at him, he was looking right at you and was on purpose hiding behind Emma.

😂 Fox sux... 😂 Sounds like a fanboy.

He wasn't ready? For what? For being killed? You know if you can recover in 15 seconds after your brain is shot you're supposed to be able to recover in two seconds aswell.

Quit then 😄

We have gone over this a 100 times already...

What was he going to do, smile at you? He didn't see Raiden, if we judge from the cut scene, Vamp just stabs her then gets shot. How should Vamp be able to se Raiden from that position, and how should he dodge it while holding Emma? His goal there was to kill her...

WTF. Did you read it clearly? "I could say"... I was just arguing like you, that because Fox got hit once he sux bullshit...( Wow, impressive. He got shot by a sniper when holding a hostage....) I know he doesen't suck..

If you wanna waste you're time, sure, we will continue..

Originally posted by samishe
And they also planned to repeat Snake's story with Raiden instead of Snake. And Vamp BTW was a replacement for Fox. Just like Solidus for Big boss.

No, Olga was the replacement for Fox..

My money would be on Grey Fox. He was amazin.

His goal by coming to Shadow moses was to fight Snake again. He said he would not get any peace until he fought Snake to the death, and that he did. We saw Fox getting pwned badly. How can someone fake getting hit in a metal suit? By as far as we know, Snake would have broke his legs and hands if he punched like that, but apparently he could.
Fox also hit him with swords and tossed a giant part of the roof against Snake, if Snake had not dodged those he would have been dead for sure. Snake defeated him end of story....

It still does not take away the fact that it was Plot Induced Stupidity. Had Snake been killed by Fox then the game would have come to an end, and the players would not have been able to continue MGS. I am not taking away from the fact Snake did kick his ass, but given what we know of Cyborg Ninja it is a large stretch for Snake to beat him in hand to hand combat.

And you make it seem like Fox speed > Everything Snake has. That is not true. You guys have never played Metal Gear 1 and 2 before have you? There Snake defeates a guy named "running man" or something like that. He is the fastest man alive, Snake defeates him without much struggeling. He did it thanks to his skill and his wit. Then he defeated a man who was incredibly strong, THEN he also defeats Big Boss when he has a machine gun and Snake is UNARMED, again thanks to his skill, speed and wit. Big Boss was the best soldier every and Snake was a rookie. He also completed a mission Fox didn't get near completing and he defeated Fox in a battle after getting through a helluva place. Now, for a long time Fox has near dead and revived by a serum and the exo skeleton. So nothing should really have improved on Fox except his speed and his strenght. Apparently, Snake has defeated people who relied on these feats AND Snake has gotten even better and more experienced than when he faced Fox before. I think it is pretty ****ing likley Snake defeated him fair and square....

So because A > B we're lead to believe A > C? I will say it again it was PIS. Unless Snake's fist is in fact stronger than REX's armor it is PIS. I do not think Fox's speed alone outclasses Snake. The fact is we're talking about FOX-HOUND's best agent codenamed FOX. The only man to ever receive that codename. Second only to Big Boss and Big Boss's right hand. The Exo-skelleton increased Fox's reaction time, his speed, his endurance and his strength. Granted Snake has become much more experience since the time they fought in the mine field. However by the time of Sons of Liberty his genetic flaw has kicked and he has started to age at an alarming rate. Solid Snake did in fact rescue FOX, but have you forgotten what we find out later? Fox working for Big Boss.

Really, the only time I've seen Fox match Vamp in speed was when he freaked out thanks to the drugs he got in his suit. That made him go berserk and was not able to control himself. He is not good in this state, only faster and stronger...

It is more likley that Vamp if any, faked against Raiden. There were many times he could have killed him there, and so could many people have done. Raiden was supposed to have survived, it was the S3 systems plan, to make it look like a new Shadow Moses.

I am the one who sees no evidence proving Vamp is in the same speed league as Cyborg Ninja.

So it's okay for Vamp to be hurt by PIS, but not Cyborg Ninja? Cyborg Ninja was in fact looking for a final battle with Solid Snake, but what he desired the most was an end to his tortured existence. May I remind you Fox's last words to Snake?

Gray Fox to Solid Snake: "Now in front of you. I can finally die. After Zanzibar, I was taken from the battle neither truly alive nor truly dead... an undying shadow in the world of lights. But soon... soon. It will finally...end."

Me too, to bad we won't. But he showed incredible strenght by tossing knifes through helmets and killing instantly that way, and almost causing Snake too loose his arm by one punch, then almost rendering him unconscious by grabing his forehead.

Vamp would easily dodge Rex fire. He dodged fire from several machine guns at the same time, without even leaving his position. And these were fired from experienced Navy Seals and marksmen, and from a pretty close distance too. I doubt he would have to budge an inch when dodging Rex canons. As we saw from Fox, he had to run all over the place when he lost his sword....

He showed incredible strength doing that? Fox showed an unbelievable ammount of strength. That you cannot deny. When we see Vamp tossing cars left and right we will begin arguing Vamp's strength, but so far he cannot be placed in the same tier as Cyborg Ninja.

Are you delusional? How do you compare machine gun fire to the rate of REX's Rail Gun? The Rail Gun's rate of fire is faster than Machine Gun fire. If Vamp was to fight REX head on he would be destroyed as far as I can tell.

What? When Fox lost his arm he was no longer being able to fight. He didn't even manage to dodge the slow knee of Metal Gear. He clearly reacted to it (screaming before it comes) but was too wounded. Just that he didn't die speaks nothing for him really...
I doubt Vamp would die easily. How do we know his bones are breakable, if he even has any. He is a vampire, his head got shot twice by a SOCOM and once by a PSG-1. That thing could shoot someone with such an impact that they would fly over 10 meters, and has mm Nato ammo which pierces through armour and is really deadly normally. If that would not crack his skull then what would?

Fox was not out of the fight when he lost his arm. In fact it was then when he destroyed the redome. Even Liquid Snake himself was impressed by Fox's determination. Just that he didn't die speaks nothing for him? How about his exo-skelleton resisting Fox's weight twice before finally becoming a river of blood in the floor. How do we know his bones are breakable? Well the 2 bullets fired at him did in fact pierce though his skull, did they not? I don't recall ever seeing them bounce off. Far more resistant when compared to normal bones yes, but not unbreakable.

Of course Fox should be able to dodge the freezing stuff, but exactly under what circomstances? Vamp could throw one when they are throwing hits at eachother or seeing where Fox is going to land, it also only has to be close to him...
And Vamp could read Raiden's moves, he did several times in the beginning. He can see how Fox moves by looking at his metal suit, he does not need to see his skin, harder to read muscles but an expert in reading it anyway....

Of course Vamp could throw the freezing stunt when they're fighting; however Fox is not a rookie. Vamp will not be laughing his ass off and mocking while fighting Fox. In my opinion he would be paying more attention to Fox's HF blade and his attacks instead of thinking about freezing him. Even if Vamp manages to freeze him what will he do? Stab him to death? Somehow I don't see that happeneing. You seem to have a very specific memory. Vamp himself states he cannot read Raiden's moves when they encounter each other in Shell 2. Vamp reads what his opponents can do by the movements of their muscles. So I ask you this: what is an exo-skelleton? If you know the answer to this you will know Vamp will never be able to read Fox's moves.