The Scientific Theory of Intelligent Design

Started by Blue nocturne51 pages

Originally posted by lord xyz
I think you're only saying that because Blue's smarter than Whob and doesn't say shit jokes that he laughs at himself even though they make no sense.

homosexuality I think started when it became immoral by Peter or something. 😕

Sigmund froid had a theory on prediposed bisexuality.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Sigmund froid had a theory on prediposed bisexuality.
now bisexuality is 1100% better than homosexuality! Though, you do have to count lesbians 😕

Originally posted by lord xyz
now bisexuality is 1100% better than homosexuality! Though, you do have to count lesbians 😕

Bisexual's sometimes suffer stigma from both, homosexuals and heterosexuals. 🙁

Originally posted by lord xyz
I think you're only saying that because Blue's smarter than Whob and doesn't say shit jokes that he laughs at himself even though they make no sense.

homosexuality I think started when it became immoral by Peter or something.

When I used to make out with my ex french boyfriend named "Pierre pense cet manger mier est bonne" we used to talk about how homosexuality keeps teh teh population under control.

Those french men sure know how to smoke teh pole. We still could never come to an agreement though as to how anal sex offered any evolutionary health benefits.

Pierre said it stimulated the prostated gland, and allowed it to be stimulated as well as helped produced the men engaging in it to form gay genes in there semen.

I just thought it made us poop better.

Either way that Pierre was sure good in the sack. Not too many more like him these days. I'm still looking for teh one dick to make me happy. I hope I find it someday.

Originally posted by PVS

for anyone just tuning in. tehsmartguy and whob are the same person.
he actually created a fake forum member to argue with so that he could 'win'.

its kinda like whacking off, except rather than climax at the end you get to see everyone point and laugh at you.

Originally posted by PVS

Could you be teh one dick I'm looking for? If you want to discuss further you can PM me or send me an e-mail at [email protected].

Originally posted by teh smart guy
Could you be teh one dick I'm looking for? If you want to discuss further you can PM me or send me an e-mail at [email protected].

whob, if you want my shaft (which i know you do) then show some respect and ask me yourself.

Originally posted by PVS
whob, if you want my shaft (which i know you do) then show some respect and ask me yourself.

I don't know why you keep calling me whob. I hate teh asswhole. You seem like a real nice guy. How tall r u, and what is your shoe size?

You don't have to answer those questions if you don't want to..But it would like for you to send teh e-mail or pm telling me a bit more about urself. 😍

I gotta go for now. I'll talk to ya laterz. kiss

Originally posted by teh smart guy
When I used to make out with my ex french boyfriend named "Pierre pense cet manger mier est bonne" we used to talk about how homosexuality keeps teh teh population under control.

Those french men sure know how to smoke teh pole. We still could never come to an agreement though as to how anal sex offered any evolutionary health benefits.

Pierre said it stimulated the prostated gland, and allowed it to be stimulated as well as helped produced the men engaging in it to form gay genes in there semen.

I just thought it made us poop better.

Either way that Pierre was sure good in the sack. Not too many more like him these days. I'm still looking for teh one dick to make me happy. I hope I find it someday.

Sounds like your taking the piss m8 if not then good for you but that made me sick tbh.

i guess whob likes to role play.
poor guy is so deep in the closet he's finding christmas presents.

Originally posted by PVS
whob, if you want my shaft (which i know you do) then show some respect and ask me yourself.

You know the scary thing about this post is that I actually believe PVS was serious..😆

Originally posted by teh smart guy
You know the scary thing about this post is that I actually believe PVS was serious..😆

i guess i shouldnt play with your heart by putting out false signals.
i'm sorry whob.

Originally posted by PVS
i guess i shouldnt play with your heart by putting out false signals.
i'm sorry whob.

You've gotta open up a thread where you tell us what happens when you pm or send an e-mail to "teh"..lol..

I'm thinking this might be the wonderful start of a beautiful budding relationship...

Re: The Scientific Theory of Intelligent Design

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Thought it might be a good idea to summarize what exactly ID is for the many laman who dogmatically and unquestionably follow Darwinian theory within these forums. Enjoy.

- Whob

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Upon observing and studying the earth and its inhabitants, it is quite apparent that it is comprised of a large amount of diverse organisms and systems. From the simplest of organisms in nature such as the one celled ameba, to the intricate systems of proteins and amino acids that make up DNA, it seems more often than not much of the processes that make up life have logical patterns to them.

Some believe that these complex systems originated from a series of random mutations and chemical processes gradually over the years. This philosophical belief system is the embodiment of the widely excepted scientific theory known as Evolution.

In recent years, however, many scientists are starting to question the validity of the widely accepted evolutionary theory, particularly the aspect of it that subscribes to complex organisms evolving from simpler organisms through random circumstances. These scientists suggest that it would mathematically improbable for randomness to initiate the start of any complex system. In lieu of Evolutionary theory, they adhere to a study which suggests that some form of intelligence designed these systems. This theory that describes life as being created by some form of intelligence is entitled Intelligent Design(ID), and it is one of the most controversial theories presented amongst the modern scientific community.

The concept of nature having a design to it is nothing new. Many liken it to the design theory that proceeded it entitled Creationism, which is exclusively based off of the Christian religion. Although many ID scientists are indeed Christian, the theory itself is not exclusively based on Christian doctrine nor is it based on the supernatural. Instead it is based on understanding the natural complexities that make up nature, and the impossibility of such perfect conditions to arise from random circumstance.

In 1802, theologian Whilliam Paley presented a theory entitled the Watchmaker Design Thesis. The following is an excerpt from his thesis:

The “rock” in the thesis is representative of a simplistic organism, while the “clock” is representative of a complex one. Using this analogy, Paley was asserting that the more complex an object is, greater is the likely hood that the object was at some point intelligently created. As simple as his thesis may sound, this type of rationale is the basis behind modern design theory.

Biology is but one of the many modern scientific facets that have assisted in giving the design theory credibility. In 1996, biochemist Michael Behe devised a theory, which expanded upon Paley’s initial Watchmaker thesis. Behe described biological systems as being too complicated on a molecular level, or too irreducibly complex to be formed by random processes within an organism and its environment.

Many biological systems are composed of codependent parts. Removing any part within these systems would cause them to not function properly, and in many cases not function at all. These irreducibly complex systems as Behe defines them, could not be reduced into simpler ones based on the dependency each part has with another. By adhering to Behe’s rationale, one would then have to attribute such a process as being part of a design, as opposed to being initiated from unplanned circumstances.

Modern concepts involving mathematics and statistics also shed new light on the validity of the design theory. Mathematician Whilliam Dembski suggests that it is statistically impossible to define complex organisms as the byproduct of random events. There are three core components to Dembski’s thesis. These components relate to the relationships of objects that are in a string, or a series of objects that have some form of coexistence. (3)

The first component, or contingency as Dembski terms it, relates to the freedom of choice objects within a string have. The second component, complexity, refers to the inability of a string’s creation to be defined by mere chance. (4)

Dembski asserts that one can only define a string’s creation as being unplanned if it is made up of very few contingent components. For example the word “an” can be thought of as a simple string. The words that make up a short story can be thought of as a complex string. It is somewhat probable to surmise that one can randomly throw two letters together on a page and create a simple word such as “an.” However, it is grossly illogical to assume that hundreds of letters can be thrown together at random on a page to create a story. The probability of the later string being generated from random circumstance would be around 10^-150, or in laman’s terms nearly
impossible. (5)

With such dramatic findings being presented, one can only conclude that the complexity of the string alludes to the third component of Dembski’s design theory being true. This third component or specification as he defines it, asserts that some type of intelligent pattern exists within the complex string and that the intelligence demonstrated within the pattern alludes to it being designed. (6)

Although ID greatly contradicts much of modern evolutionary theory on a philosophical level, there is one core belief that it shares with it. Microevolution, sometimes termed variation or adaptation, is generally the term used when describing this type of evolution. Examples of microevolution are represented in different species of dogs, cats, fish, and other organisms within a particular family. It is important to note, however, that ID does not support the concept known as macroevolution, which theorizes that species of different families at some point randomly evolved into species of another family. The existence of this type of evolution is widely debated between the proponents of both theories, and at this time no conclusive specimens have been found to confirm this type of evolution as being possible.

1. Natural Theology; or, Evidences of the Existence and Attributes of the Deity, 12th edition Paley. Pg. 3.

2. Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution.Behe.
Free Press, 1996, pg. 39.

3. Review of Whilliam Dembski Intelligent Design the Bridge Between Science and Theology. Korthoff. World Wide Web, 2002. http://www.home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/kortho44.htm

4. Review of Whilliam Dembski Intelligent Design the Bridge Between Science and Theology. Korthoff. World Wide Web, 2002. http://www.home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/kortho44.htm.

5. Review of Whilliam Dembski Intelligent Design the Bridge Between Science and Theology. Korthoff. World Wide Web, 2002. http://www.home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/kortho44.htm.

Originally posted by teh smart guy

When I used to make out with my ex french boyfriend named "Pierre pense cet manger mier est bonne" we used to talk about how homosexuality keeps teh teh population under control.

Those french men sure know how to smoke teh pole. We still could never come to an agreement though as to how anal sex offered any evolutionary health benefits.

Pierre said it stimulated the prostated gland, and allowed it to be stimulated as well as helped produced the men engaging in it to form gay genes in there semen.

I just thought it made us poop better.

Either way that Pierre was sure good in the sack. Not too many more like him these days. I'm still looking for teh one dick to make me happy. I hope I find it someday.

If someone can please tell me how the hell teh's post above involves the topic of Intelligent Design, and how it in anyway rebutts the initial post at the beginning of the thread, I'll give them a hundred dollars. 😆

Re: Re: The Scientific Theory of Intelligent Design

Originally posted by whobdamandog
If someone can please tell me how the hell teh's post above involves the topic of Intelligent Design, and how it in anyway rebutts the initial post at the beginning of the thread, I'll give them a hundred dollars. 😆

Not worth it. 😛

This should be more about the topic.............

Originally posted by debbiejo
This should be more about the topic.............
agreed. ID is a science where complexity and similar design in the universe are because of 1 master plan.

ermm I think that's it. And it's DEFINATELY NOT BASED ON GOD. 😆

Originally posted by lord xyz
agreed. ID is a science where complexity and similar design in the universe are because of 1 master plan.

ermm I think that's it. And it's DEFINATELY NOT BASED ON GOD. 😆

👆

Everyone who believes in an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, all loving Intelligent Designer is stupid anyway.

All Christians believe in teh stupid philosophy "Love one another" which is stupid to begin with.

Even if teh Intelligent Designer was the Christian God and not the Thetons in Battleship earth, the whole idea of following a loving God is stupid anway...

Why would anyone want to follow or believe in a loving God?

If you ask me, most educated people would believe that they was created from spontaneous generation of panspermia...😆

teh, which one are you, ID or Evolution?

Why would anyone want to follow or believe in a loving God?

Actually I think, if I were to believe, I would want it to be a good god. Or if not that then a logical, practical one.

Anyway though, today I was reading an article on the subject of ID and right wing politics (in the US) and I was amused at the claims my by one of the ID proponents about how evolution is in terminal decline like communism was 20 years ago, and ID is awaiting to return as the true theory (like Capitalism) and about how scientists have realised their mistake and are abandoning evolution. Then they said about a film they had releases "educating" people on ID and how this film had literally set the world alight - including Australia. Oh I laughed as I thought "who could believe this" - then I thought of the ID proponents on this thread.

Now, for two facts in relation to this - #1 - For the ID's out there. Go to your national institute that deals with statistics and polling. You will find that support for evolution, and conviction it is correct is at the highest it has ever been since it's conception amongst the scientific community. How about that?

#2 - The film this guy was talking about did not start a fire storm in Australia, nor most of Europe (if any.) Hell, anywhere for that matter. It was mentioned only a couple of times by the media here, and that's only due to a tongue in the cheek remark by a minster.

I mean, seriously, this is perhaps the crappiest propaganda I have ever, ever seen. It's as if they are not even trying - the evidence that disproves the claim science is dropping evolution is everywhere, but apparently there are really people who say "gee, that crazy looking guy over there says scientists don't believe in evolution, that's enough for me."