Originally posted by Janus MariusThe 6 million jews is heaviyl debated I heard....
Concentration camps. I understand that a figure of about 6 million jews was introduced... I don't think I remember one for others- political criminals, homosexuals, communists and so on. But the number or 29 million is very high. So is the 40 million for Stalin. I assume you're adding military deaths as well?
But also I heard similar figures, but it must be some sort of military deaths added to that....
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh I see.Then it must be military death as well. I remember it was around that number, and I also remember the infamous 40 million from Stalin's rule.
It must be then, counting the war as well.
Originally posted by Bardock42
The 6 million jews is heaviyl debated I heard....But also I heard similar figures, but it must be some sort of military deaths added to that....
I've heard stories that even a peak 100% strength, the camps couldn't have possibly killed 6 million people in that amount of time. However, those were by history revisionists.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
I've heard stories that even a peak 100% strength, the camps couldn't have possibly killed 6 million people in that amount of time. However, those were by history revisionists.
Well, I think there is this jewish guy (obviously being jewish quite helps in that case) that is out to prove that the Holocaust didn't happen....which is obvipously nonsense...but the exact figures might need revisioning....
I think the general idea by those peopel is that much of it was Russian Propaganda at the Nürnberger Prozesse (trials) (I'm sorry I am unable to spell that city's name in English and I'm to lazy to look it up) and that they went right ahead destroying a lot of the Camps to support those claims.
Originally posted by Bardock42
But I don't understand which death goes to who. I mean someone could make a strong case for adding all WWII deaths to Hitler's count...
Oh absolutely...
I think its debatable, because to be honest, as far as death toll and how many died, we only know from what we read or been told.
I read that 29 million were killed under Hitler...this might well be overestimation or even deliberate over exaggeration.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh absolutely...I think its debatable, because to be honest, as far as death toll and how many died, we only know from what we read or been told.
I read that 29 million were killed under Hitler...this might well be overestimation or even deliberate over exaggeration.
Well I read similar figures as well, but I never know how they get them....or what agenda is on their minds.....then I also heard Mao surpassed both of them....
Wow, I go to sleep, and I wake up with 2 new pages worth of discussion....Good discussion by the way.
Originally posted by Fatal Smoke
Mao is a glitch in the communist system. Reading about how he was in his early life would supprise you.
He suffered from Depression didn't he?
Speaking of which, doesn't Maoism focus on farmers and peasants? That was always my understanding of it.
If this was a perfect world communisim would work. However, this is not a perfect world and communisim does not work. Personally it's a bad idea. What right does any goverment have to tell anyone what price to sell things? Or how much to pay their employees?
Overall communisim is a horrid idea. It violates free will and the idea of free enterprise.
I wonder, is free will and free enterprise really admirable goals for government? In other words, how can we claim that our will is free and not determined or heavily influenced by commerce and the state? As for free enterprise, how can you call a system where a bunch of greedy old men (A small minority who holds the majority of the wealth in the system) run everything free?
I really think you need a balance of democratic ideals and well-instituted socialism. Communism fails, and the U.S. capitalist system fails as well.
most people do...
If this was a perfect world capitalism would work. However, this is not a perfect world and capitalism does not work. Personally it's a bad idea. What right does any corporation to decide at what price to sell things? Or what to pay their employees?
Overall capitalismis a horrid idea. It violates principles of interpersonal dependacy and leads to the violation of human rights for profit.