ufc/pride

Originally posted by StyleTime
Everyone knew GSP would beat Koscheck. GSP is literally a better version of Koscheck in about every area. Still, I give Koscheck kudos for actually neutralizing GSP's wrestling game in the early rounds. Some people don't realize how crazy a feat that is. GSP put on a jab clinic though.

Noone has anything to say about Alves vs Howard? Alves is the sickest striker in WW UFC aside from maybe GSP himself. He had rock solid defense, laser precision, and he added takedowns to his game. I look forward to a fight with Condit and Shields and a rematch with Koscheck/Fitch/GSP.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I disagree. Any fight that has to go to a decision shouldn't get Fight of the Night.

It should go to either Mac Danzig for knocking out Joe Daddy Stevenson barely a minute into the fight, or to Miller for pulling a reversal on Oliviera and landing that brutal knee-bar.

Originally posted by batdude123
A one-minute fight doesn't exactly constitute what it means to be "fight of the night."

How about a precisely landed fade-away punch that causes the other fighter to go immediately lights-out and do a faceplant?

Originally posted by Mindset
Why, great fights can go to close decisions?

"Close"? Alves was wiping the floor with him the entire time. Howard was basically a shock-absorber.

Besides, a fighter should end it swiftly and decisively, like Velasquez did. He shouldn't draw it out like GSP did. I suspect GSP was intentionally drawing it out in order to show off to the home-crowd. He could've easily put Kos away at any time during and after Round 2, but didn't. It was as if he was toying with Koscheck.

Besides, a fighter should end it swiftly and decisively, like Velasquez did. He shouldn't draw it out like GSP did. I suspect GSP was intentionally drawing it out in order to show off to the home-crowd. He could've easily put Kos away at any time during and after Round 2, but didn't. It was as if he was toying with Koscheck.

Honestly, I highly doubt that this was the case. If a fighter wants to show off then he should knock out his foe as soon as he can, that's for me it's show off (like 1 minute KO in the first round), not having a decision win. It's just the way that GSP fights anyway.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
How about a precisely landed fade-away punch that causes the other fighter to go immediately lights-out and do a faceplant?

Right, that would be "Knockout of the night," not "Fight of the night."

Originally posted by Mindset
You actually want to see GSP keep fighting the same people over again, or did I read that wrong?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Besides, a fighter should end it swiftly and decisively, like Velasquez did. He shouldn't draw it out like GSP did. I suspect GSP was intentionally drawing it out in order to show off to the home-crowd. He could've easily put Kos away at any time during and after Round 2, but didn't. It was as if he was toying with Koscheck.

Originally posted by batdude123
Right, that would be "Knockout of the night," not "Fight of the night."

That's why there are two different awards.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
How about a precisely landed fade-away punch that causes the other fighter to go immediately lights-out and do a faceplant?

"Close"? Alves was wiping the floor with him the entire time. Howard was basically a shock-absorber.

Besides, a fighter should end it swiftly and decisively, like Velasquez did. He shouldn't draw it out like GSP did. I suspect GSP was intentionally drawing it out in order to show off to the home-crowd. He could've easily put Kos away at any time during and after Round 2, but didn't. It was as if he was toying with Koscheck.

No talk about k1 here? 🙁

Whats that?

Originally posted by Mindset
No talk about k1 here? 🙁

Congratulations to Overoids for beating guys 30-40 pounds lighter than him and an over-the-hill, should've retired 5 years ago version of Peter Aerts.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Whats that?

😐

No one over the hill is beating Schilt and Saki didn't have a problem beating someone 30lbs heavier than him the round before.

Come on. 😬

Originally posted by The Nuul
Whats that?

It's this

YouTube video

Originally posted by Mindset
No one over the hill is beating Schilt and Saki didn't have a problem beating someone 30lbs heavier than him the round before.

Come on. 😬

Saki didn't have a problem beating Ghita in the previous round? What fight were you watching? Saki was beat to shit after that fight, and then he went on to fight Overoids who came into that fight with a 50 pound advantage over him. Don't act like the size difference is negligible.

Aerts is a 40 year old man with half the speed, athleticism, and reflexes that he had back in his prime. Yes, it was somewhat of a miracle he beat Schilt, but let's not pretend this is the same Aerts of years past.

looney I know what it is but never watched it. Isnt it on fcked up hrs of the night?

Originally posted by batdude123
Saki didn't have a problem beating Ghita in the previous round? What fight were you watching? Saki was beat to shit after that fight, and then he went on to fight Overoids who came into that fight with a 50 pound advantage over him. Don't act like the size difference is negligible.

Aerts is a 40 year old man with half the speed, athleticism, and reflexes that he had back in his prime. Yes, it was somewhat of a miracle he beat Schilt, but let's not pretend this is the same Aerts of years past.

Last year Aerts beat Saki and took Overeem to 3 rounds, the year before that he beat Schilt, how is it a miracle he beat Schilt again? Let's not pretend Aerts is "over the hill" when he can still beat top 5 comp.

Anyway, I want to see Overeem fight Badri and Semmy again.

Originally posted by Mindset
He didn't have a problem beating him = he was able to beat him in the context I was using. Of course the size difference isn't negligible, and if I said it was you'd have a point. However, Saki showed he was able to beat someone with a huge weight advantage over him, so Overeem used more than just his size to win.

Last year Aerts beat Saki and took Overeem to 3 rounds, the year before that he beat Schilt, how is it a miracle he beat Schilt again? Let's not pretend Aerts is "over the hill" when he can still beat top 5 comp.

You're right, Saki was also injured going into that fight with Overeem. Not to mention that Overeem is 20 pounds heavier than Ghita. It was pretty obvious, even in the 2 and a half minutes they fought, that Saki was the better kickboxer in terms of skills.

The only top 5 competition you named is Schilt. Saki was coming off 2 losses in a row when he fought Aerts. In any case, that alone is not indicative of how Aerts is fighting nowadays. Just because George Foreman beat Michael Moorer in 1994 to win the heavyweight belt doesn't mean he was anywhere near his prime. Same goes for Aerts. His body isn't responding the way it did back in his prime, and it's evident. He's an old man in a young man's sport.

Very true. Aerts is and always will be one of my K1 idols, but there are a time when one should let it go. I know it's hard to for him to stop fighting since he loves it and he did it all his life, but really, no fighter should fight past 40.

Even in lates 30's fighters are already decreasing his skill, a fighter reaches his prime skill at mid 20's and keep it until early 30's, after that it is debateble if they should keep fighting. I guess it depends on the fighter himself, but you will notice that when the 34/36 mark is reached they start doing performances that they wouldn't do when they were on top.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're right, Saki was also injured going into that fight with Overeem. Not to mention that Overeem is 20 pounds heavier than Ghita. It was pretty obvious, even in the 2 and a half minutes they fought, that Saki was the better kickboxer in terms of skills.

The only top 5 competition you named is Schilt. Saki was coming off 2 losses in a row when he fought Aerts. In any case, that alone is not indicative of how Aerts is fighting nowadays. Just because George Foreman beat Michael Moorer in 1994 to win the heavyweight belt doesn't mean he was anywhere near his prime. Same goes for Aerts. His body isn't responding the way it did back in his prime, and it's evident. He's an old man in a young man's sport.

You want me to name the top fighters Aerts has beat in the last 5 years?

Le Banner
Schilt x 3
Remy

His only losses coming from
Overeem x 2
Schilt x 2
Badr
Hoost
Maeda

So...why did he need to retire 5 years ago? He can still beat top 5 comp and only losses to top 5 comp, aside from Maeda.

He is still one of the top fighters in K1...hence him being in the final.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
Very true. Aerts is and always will be one of my K1 idols, but there are a time when one should let it go. I know it's hard to for him to stop fighting since he loves it and he did it all his life, but really, no fighter should fight past 40.

Even in lates 30's fighters are already decreasing his skill, a fighter reaches his prime skill at mid 20's and keep it until early 30's, after that it is debateble if they should keep fighting. I guess it depends on the fighter himself, but you will notice that when the 34/36 mark is reached they start doing performances that they wouldn't do when they were on top.