Wolvenom vs Superman

Originally posted by jinzin
wolvenom goes stealth to buy time while his psionic scream calls in backup from the symbiote race.. they arrive in a few minutes overwhelm superman and wolvenom is lest standing to claim the day...

-aside from this the symbiotes could take superman over
-instill psionic nightmares into superman's brain effectively making him insane and induced with fear/panic
-stab him repeatedly... new venom is in the low 60 to mid 70's in class range for strength.. wolverine can cut hulk without a symbiote so superman's skin would have to be almost 140,000 times denser than hulks to keep wolvenom from peircing his skin.. I just don't see that as plausible
anyways.. those are just a few..

well the name of this thread is a misleading one....

thunderstrike started this thread because over a year ago I said that I thought wolvenom could take supes, he wanted to prove "what an idiot" I am by bringing this up again simply because I don't agree with why people think what they think in the wolverine/namor thread...
now as for this old post of mine... while my rationale wasn't the greatest at that point in time.. my premise for arriving to this conclusion stemmed from this particular symbiotic race strategy...
at the time the rules were hardly ever implied in matches (I constantly saw the arena rule forgone as characters were always getting their hands on cars and buildings and streets and rivers etc etc) so I thought they were more a suggestion than anything.. furthermore my grasp of the rules and the way this game is played in general has grown significantly since then...

(when I made my post I had no idea that crossovers are generally ignored, furthermore I thought the superman/venom fight that already took place was legit as All Access effected DC in continuity. I didn't know about superman's depowering, and thought the fight could be plausible considering how venom backed down juggernaut)

anyways.. the point is...
yes the no outside interference rule does exist.. however I came to the previousl mentioned conclusion under the premise that the rule in question wasn't a necessity to the thread fight, basically that it wasn't a rule... NOW if thunderstrike is going to bring this thread up as a way to insult my intelligence and credibility that's fine, but lets not forget how I arrived to the conclusion the last time we discussed this very thing...

as it stand now... I don't see wolvenom taking a majority of fights with supes one on one.. I've said it before, I'll say it again.. all superman has to do is fly past venom at sonic speeds and the fight is already over.... but then again.. that's not the premise for which I was being attacked.

Originally posted by Arahan
So DC/Marvel Crossover is canon now?

Yeah Wolverine can take Lobo....

Storm can beat Wonder Woman....

And Venom can overcome Flash´s Speed.

This is really pathetic even for your standards.

well actually all the events intertwined in the access crossovers had reprocussions on the DC verse as was commented in a green lantern book... but I digress.. read my last post to see where I'm/ or where I was rather, coming from...

Originally posted by jinzin
well the name of this thread is a misleading one....

thunderstrike started this thread because over a year ago I said that I thought wolvenom could take supes, he wanted to prove "what an idiot" I am by bringing this up again simply because I don't agree with why people think what they think in the wolverine/namor thread...
now as for this old post of mine... while my rationale wasn't the greatest at that point in time.. my premise for arriving to this conclusion stemmed from this particular symbiotic race strategy...
at the time the rules were hardly ever implied in matches (I constantly saw the arena rule forgone as characters were always getting their hands on cars and buildings and streets and rivers etc etc) so I thought they were more a suggestion than anything.. furthermore my grasp of the rules and the way this game is played in general has grown significantly since then...

(when I made my post I had no idea that crossovers are generally ignored, furthermore I thought the superman/venom fight that already took place was legit as All Access effected DC in continuity. I didn't know about superman's depowering, and thought the fight could be plausible considering how venom backed down juggernaut)

anyways.. the point is...
yes the no outside interference rule does exist.. however I came to the previousl mentioned conclusion under the premise that the rule in question wasn't a necessity to the thread fight, basically that it wasn't a rule... NOW if thunderstrike is going to bring this thread up as a way to insult my intelligence and credibility that's fine, but lets not forget how I arrived to the conclusion the last time we discussed this very thing...

as it stand now... I don't see wolvenom taking a majority of fights with supes one on one.. I've said it before, I'll say it again.. all superman has to do is fly past venom at sonic speeds and the fight is already over.... but then again.. that's not the premise for which I was being attacked.

Originally posted by jinzin
well actually all the events intertwined in the access crossovers had reprocussions on the DC verse as was commented in a green lantern book... but I digress.. read my last post to see where I'm/ or where I was rather, coming from...

Well, while Flash is in the Marvel universe, he cannot tap into the speed force. This reduces him down to Quicksilvers level of speed. So that's not particularly very impressive.

Originally posted by batdude123
Well, while Flash is in the Marvel universe, he cannot tap into the speed force. This reduces him down to Quicksilvers level of speed. So that's not particularly very impressive.

lol well I mean if Wolvenom is calling in all the symbiotes I guess Superman would do the same with the JLA and such..............

Originally posted by badabing
Speaking of Flash, where is the Elephant Man? 😆

Oh God, please don't bring him up again. 🙄

Originally posted by Soleran
LOL derrr yeah yet you fail to show me this happening.................if as you said previoulsy Superman goes to the Sun and the Symbiotes follow him there he'll have a great time shooting them out of the universe seeing as he's right by the sun there won't be a problem for SM's energy.

he'll be stuck there regardless... symbiotes go into earths atmosphere... now he's gotta leave the sun because plenty of innocents on earth are about to get killed...

Originally posted by Soleran
Secondly DD even clones are much tougher then any symbiote,

which proves you know just about jack shit concerning dd clones... batman's exploding batarang took out two of them...
venom by himself has taken lsd rockets to the face and didn't even go down...

Originally posted by Soleran
class 70 is jack to SM's speed blitz and he doesn't need minutes to speed blitz Wolvenom.........................but I mean hey keep going it does make me laugh when you post for a struggled victory............

i was wondering are you aware that though superman was depowered in his fight with venom it was only his strength that suffered from a significant decrease.. his speed, flight, heat vision, etc etc were all unhindered abilities...

Originally posted by Soleran
Keep specualting on the intangible becuase you certainly cannot disprove it so that would still be a viable win for Superman.........unless you show symbiotes taking over someone intangible.

and this just proves how much you're not listening... STRANGER IS INTANGIBLE.....

http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00068af.jpg

and did it help him? no.. no it did not...

Originally posted by batdude123
Well, while Flash is in the Marvel universe, he cannot tap into the speed force. This reduces him down to Quicksilvers level of speed. So that's not particularly very impressive.

was he even in the marvel universe?

crossovers aren't cannon and it didn't say whatso ever that stranger was intangible, it said his stomach just opend up, little different hoss, but keep going this is fun.

Originally posted by badabing
I thought there was a misunderstanding somewhere, that's why I was asking questions earlier. Anyway, good debate, but hopefully we can let this thread just go away. 😎

I would love to.. but since plenty of people don't seem to want to read the arguments being laid down and the reasoning for the existance of these arguments.. well...

Start a new thread. I haven't seen any good Venom or Carnage threads lately.

Originally posted by Soleran
crossovers aren't cannon and it didn't say whatso ever that stranger was intangible, it said his stomach just opend up, little different hoss, but keep going this is fun.

I know crossovers are not supposed to be used.. but again.. the access x-overs had direct ramifications in the DCU...

now as for stranger

intangible- incorporeal

it's an ability that stranger has... it didn't help him...

Originally posted by jinzin
was he even in the marvel universe?

Don't even try and tell me that he wasn't. A symbiote can't keep up with a being that goes 100 multiples of light speed on average and at times, goes so fast as to transcend even speed itself. A being that can tap into the speed force is someone who a symbiote cannot catch up to. The only logical reasoning, is that they were in the Marvel universe at the time, in which case it's not that impressive of a feat. However, if it WAS in the DC Universe (even though I doubt that it was because writers are not that stupid), then you should've never even brought that up because it's pure bullshit.

Originally posted by badabing
Start a new thread. I haven't seen any good Venom or Carnage threads lately.

that's probably because they've all been done.

Originally posted by batdude123
Don't even try and tell me that he wasn't. A symbiote can't keep up with a being that goes 100 multiples of light speed on average and at times, goes so fast as to transcend even speed itself. A being that can tap into the speed force is someone who a symbiote cannot catch up to. The only logical reasoning, is that they were in the Marvel universe at the time, in which case it's not that impressive of a feat. However, if it WAS in the DC Universe (even though I doubt that it was because writers are not that stupid), then you should've never even brought that up because it's pure bullshit.

regardless you can't prove anything either way...

and it's not much more bullshit than deathstroke tripping flash, batman successfully running away and hiding from falsh, boomerangs hitting flash in the head....

however I agree with you... but that still doesn't change the fact that it being bullshit has no bearing on this discussion since that's not how the aformentioned premise was developed.

Originally posted by jinzin
regardless you can't prove anything either way...

and it's not much more bullshit than deathstroke tripping flash, batman successfully running away and hiding from falsh, boomerangs hitting flash in the head....

however I agree with you... but that still doesn't change the fact that it being bullshit has no bearing on this discussion since that's not how the aformentioned premise was developed.

Good point, but I still think that the incident was in the Marvel Universe.

Originally posted by jinzin
I know crossovers are not supposed to be used.. but again.. the access x-overs had direct ramifications in the DCU...

now as for stranger

intangible- incorporeal

it's an ability that stranger has... it didn't help him...

so as I said earlier if Wolvenom is calling the symbiotes then I also would assume the JLA is on call and they have handled invasions *whitemartians* so I doubt the symbiotes would be much different.

Regardless Wolvenom is toasted with any one of the numerous ways i showed Supermans powers before, you haven't shown me the Symbiote surviving heat rays that are hotter then the core of the sun, or his frost breath or his superspeed or his trength like when he knocked lobo into orbit etc etc................sorry no counters yet.

This thread makes mefuriouscensored 😠 then I want toblowup and finally, go into a fetal position andbawling.