who do you think would beat flash?

well if you want to be all tecnical with the speed force not in marvel, then no one in marvel can beat the flash becasue he's d.c.

well thats what i was talking about, when you were changed things up

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
I'm saying you're wrong in that you think he can't beat spawn and thanos and Darkseid and countless amounts of other beings. Also... he could beat NO ONE in the marvel universe because the speed force is neglected in marvel.

Dude, the whole "he'd lose to everybody in marvel" is a pretty weak arguement. We are assuming that Flash can go at his speeds that he normally does. You can't just say a person from Marvel could take him down because there is no speed force in Marvel. By you saying that, it's pretty pointless to have DC vs. Marvel threads then. Seeing how if it was in either ones universe, the other one would lose all of his power. 😬 That's a pretty weak way of debating. No offense, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, just think of better ways. 😉

seriously though.... he's right

Originally posted by elephant_man
well thats what i was talking about, when you were changed things up

What are you talking about when I "changed things up?" You said that Superman of today can't reach the speed of light. That doesn't mean sh*t to this thread considering I didn't have him on my list. I used a Superman that IS on my list and I said that he could fly at multiples of the speed of light. If anything, YOU changed things up. 😉

Originally posted by elephant_man
seriously though.... he's right

Me or him? 😕

omg. I'm saying like when you said superman can viabrate through things, and i said no he cant, then you said pre-crisis superman could though. Is that not changing things up?? And plus i was just saying your'e changing your things up when you said it, because you were trying to make it sound like if i didn't know anything. I was never wrong, "regular " superman can't viabrate thruogh things or reach the speed of light. and when i said that you were like but this one and that one could. And I dont think i never said whether or not they could, I'm just taking your word for it

Originally posted by elephant_man
well if you want to be all tecnical with the speed force not in marvel, then no one in marvel can beat the flash becasue he's d.c.

What I think people are referring to is the fact that there is no Speed Force in the Marvel Universe (MU), as shown in the JLA vs Avengers crossover. Flash instantly lost his powers when entering MU, Steel later built some sort of harness which could store Speed Force energy so that Flash could move around in subsonic speed at least in MU. That it was subsonic I just assume, since Quicksilver managed to outrun him.

When ever there has been a crossover it seems most of the characters is unaffected when switching universes, so there for most DC and Marvel characters can face each other.

im saying your wright, about the assuming that they had all their powers and everything

1. Magneto /Omega/ (slowing even stopping him with magnetisin' the iron levels in the blood there is a lot even in one cell)

2. Anybody with time stopping, time slowin' ability

3. Anybody with gravity manipulatin' ability

4. Vulkan

5. Galactus

6. Rune King Thor

7. Silver Surfer (changin Flash into an actual piece of shit)

8. Doomsday -- GoG Wars (Being faster and stronger than Superman)

9. Scarlet Witch (alterin some stuff, makin Wally's power gone)

10. TOAA

11. Exitar

12. Thanos with HOTU

Originally posted by batdude123
Dude, the whole "he'd lose to everybody in marvel" is a pretty weak arguement. We are assuming that Flash can go at his speeds that he normally does. You can't just say a person from Marvel could take him down because there is no speed force in Marvel. By you saying that, it's pretty pointless to have DC vs. Marvel threads then. Seeing how if it was in either ones universe, the other one would lose all of his power. 😬 That's a pretty weak way of debating. No offense, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, just think of better ways. 😉

yyyyyyyyyeah, I was joking

Originally posted by elephant_man
omg. I'm saying like when you said superman can viabrate through things, and i said no he cant, then you said pre-crisis superman could though. Is that not changing things up?? And plus i was just saying your'e changing your things up when you said it, because you were trying to make it sound like if i didn't know anything. I was never wrong, "regular " superman can't viabrate thruogh things or reach the speed of light. and when i said that you were like but this one and that one could. And I dont think i never said whether or not they could, I'm just taking your word for it

What the hell are talking about? I said that regular Superman of today cannot fly at the speed of light. I then agreed with you and said that PC Superman could. I never said that regular Superman of today cannot vibrate intangible because he CAN. He has shown to be able to and as a matter of fact, he did it in a recent fight against Doomsday. Reread the posts. 😉

lol, changing him to shit, lol. had forgotten about doomsday, i don't think hed kill doomsday either. He'd just regenerate, and be immuned to him.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
yyyyyyyyyeah, I was joking

Oh! My bad! 😄

Originally posted by elephant_man
lol, changing him to shit, lol. had forgotten about doomsday, i don't think hed kill doomsday either. He'd just regenerate, and be immuned to him.

Yes, Superman of today CAN vibrate his molecules rendering himself intangible. 😉

so your saying that superman could viabrate through things. regular superman though?

cuz you said that pre-crisis superman was the one who could go at diff. speeds light and fly multiple speeds. you said pre superman not reg. superman. and show me where you agreed.

then its a draw betwen superman and flash. they'd both be viabrating

thats only if what your saying is true. But wouldnt the flash be able to steal his speed away from him. He would, so flash could still probably beat him.

sick.... too much vibrating! 🤪 😘