who do you think would beat flash?

The only version of Flash who could possibly beat the beings on Batdudes list, ie the Superman family on down, and barring the all powerful from birth cosmic Gods, ie Galactus and Exitar on up is this version of the guy.

He runs as fast as he can, and as he begins to merge into the speedforce, Manhunter uses all his mental power to merge the last vestige of Wally's mind left on this plane into the semi-sentient consciousness of the speedforce, since he is mainlined to it.
Wally then becomes the master and controller of all kinetic energy, capable of stopping multiversal movement down to the level of protons and neutrons with a thought/synapsis.

And if the S shield starts to glow and we find out that kryptonians can still survive without their bodies functioning at any level, he hits him with the speedforce itself, causing SBP's very existence to implode, and rid the universe of a horrendous eyesore/character.

Wally has been stated to be the flash most mainlined to the speedforce. For him to become its master wouldn't be farfetched, as long as they explained the merging. The speedforce is the sum of all kinetic energy. Which is movement. Which covers things as big as planetary rotation, to things as small as the electrical synapses that power the brain. Anybody who controls kinetic energy, controls life, in truth. Flash becoming that being is believable in comic book science or logic. Superman, WonderWoman, GL or Thor not so much.
Flash is perfect for that role, and plausible as well. If he were to be shown to become that in the far and distant future, ie DC 1Million and a true Flash Prime or Flash Perfect, he'd be the most powerful being in the multiverse. Mind you, not the planes above or below it, like heaven and hell. Just the most powerful guy in the physical plane. Thats all.

That guy smashes a fair portion of that list with ease. I'd love to read a mini about him.

read that link by blair wind on page 8. its pretty convinving. thats what i was talking about. he could literally stop all motion in the universe. One thing though, wasnt the speed force considered to be heaven at one point? Thats what they were comparing it to, and if it were compared to heaven, then maybe he would be all powerfull, even in hell and heaven. At least thats what i think. I might be wrong though. it was cosidered heaven though, i'm not making this up

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Originally posted by elephant_man
read that link by blair wind on page 8. its pretty convinving. thats what i was talking about. he could literally stop all motion in the universe. One thing though, wasnt the speed force considered to be heaven at one point? Thats what they were comparing it to, and if it were compared to heaven, then maybe he would be all powerfull, even in hell and heaven. At least thats what i think. I might be wrong though. it was cosidered heaven though, i'm not making this up

The speedforce however, is the source of all motion, where kinetic energy is birthed, as has been described on panel.

something like that. Even so, he'd probably rule over all. : )

Originally posted by elephant_man
something like that. Even so, he'd probably rule over all. : )

Yeah, too bad that kind of Flash doesn't exist. 😉

which flash?

Originally posted by elephant_man
which flash?

Pay attention! 😠 The Flash that controls all the kinetic energy in the universe.

oh 😮 i don't know about controlling all kinetic energy. But he doesn't need help to reach the speed force. While going to it, he simply borrows speed from it which gives him an extra boost to get there. Once there all time basically freezes while he can jump to anyplace in the universe and do things to people while they feel as though time has not stopped. So its kinda like he is controlling all motion.

Originally posted by elephant_man
oh 😮 i don't know about controlling all kinetic energy. But he doesn't need help to reach the speed force. While going to it, he simply borrows speed from it which gives him an extra boost to get there. Once there all time basically freezes while he can jump to anyplace in the universe and do things to people while they feel as though time has not stopped. So its kinda like he is controlling all motion.

Yeah, but basically everyone on my list should beat Flash. 😉

Should...?

Well do you at least see where I was coming from? I mean I'm figuring if he can do all this, and stop all time, then no one could touch him, you know? that's all I was saying.

Flash may not lose all the time, but Batdudes list has people that could beat Flash.

Originally posted by elephant_man
Should...?

I'm not saying that some of the people on my list would win 10/10, some might win say around 7-8/10. But MOST on the list would win 10/10. 😎

Originally posted by badabing
Flash may not lose all the time, but Batdudes list has people that could beat Flash.

"Would" defeat Flash. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not hating, you're just freakin' dilusional. Everybody on my list would beat the sh*t outta Flash. You have absolutely no knowledge of anybody on my list. So I'll describe for you how they would defeat him.

Exitar: A Celestial being that none of the skyfathers put together could beat.
TOAA: TOAA is Marvel's God and would just blink him out of exsistence.
The Presence: The Presence is DC's God and would do the same thing.
The Living Tribunal: The LT is second in Marvel only to TOAA. He'd banish Flash into a skin tight unbreakable shield for all of eternity. Or in Flash's case, until he dies.
Ion: An omnipotent being that has the power of all 7,200 GL in the universe. All he'd have to do is use his imagination and Flash is dead.
Spectre: Spectre is second in DC only to the Presence. He could easily suck the power right out of Flash
Lucifer: The Presence's son and would utterly anhialate Flash
Michael: Same deal as Lucifer
Parallax: Same deal as Ion.
Superman Prime: Superman Prime as well can travel through time and is just as fast as Flash. Superman Prime has been sun soaking in the sun for 1,000 years. He is the most powerful version of Superman. You do the math.
Superboy Prime: Superboy Prime punched throught the Anti-Matter like it was nothing. Flash's speed force would have no affect on him.
Superman 1 Million: Superman 1 Million also can time travel as well. In a SEVERLY WEAKENED state, he punched a whole throught the time dimension and arrived 83,200 years into the past. He is far more powerful than Flash
Rune King Thor: A Norse God that has the Odin Force and would utterly destroy Flash horribly
Cytorrak: Has held even Galactus in his confines. Cyttorak=far more powerful than Flash.
Galactus: A Full-powered Galactus is able to destroy the universe 10x over. You can fill in the blanks from there.
Eternity: Galactus' sibling and is just as powerful.
Death: Same situation as Eternity and Galactus. These three are brothers and sisters.
The Mask: Physical invulnerability no matter what the damage is. While wearing the mask, Lobo was destroying galaxies with ease.
Spawn: Can stop time and was powerful enought to make a new heaven. Need I say more?
Zeus: Zeus is a Skyfather that is basically on Thanos' level of power.
Odin: Same situation as Rune King Thor.
Thanos: Thanos has technology that is just absolutely beastly. He'd defeat Flash.
Silver Surfer: Can go just as fast as Flash. Could easily just suck the power out of Flash via the power cosmic.
Pre-Crisis Superman: PC Superman is infamous for just creating some uber way to defeat somebody out of thin air. He'd kill Flash.
Mephisto: He’s basically an invulnerable demon with really powerful reality-warping powers. Flash would get f*cked up.
Solaris: Is a God that’s got the power of the Sun.
Mr. Mxyzptlk: Mr. Mxyzptlk was powerful enough to destroy the entire universe and rebuild it to his likings.
Darkseid: A full-powered Darkseid is on Galactus’ level of power. Flash would die.
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan): Immensely powerful and is arguable the most powerful of the Green Lanterns. He has the greatest will and could contain the blast of a supernova from within his shield.
Uatu the Watcher: He has vast psionic powers that spawn galaxies.
Franklin Richards: As psi-lord, Franklin Richards was more powerful than even Galactus. Flash would again die horribly.
Surter: A primordial demon that ruled an entire dimension. Flash doesn’t stand a chance.
Vulcan: Would simply steal Flash’s powers away from him.

Please take some time to read this list elephant man. 😉

I seriously still don't think so. The speed force is just too powerfull. What if while they seem frozen he drove them into the speed force? They have no connection to it, they'd die. And he could do this, don't tell me he can't. He did it to savatar to destroy him.

ok, i'm reading it, hold up.

when i said eternity before, i meant TOAA, and the presence. And iv'e said from the beginning that i do think they'd beat flash. But i don't think tat others would be able to kill him. Because unless you can off him the way you say TOAA, and presence can, (just thinking about) then you have to do some kind of damage no matter how powerfull you are right. And if he were to just stand there viabrating, then nothing would hit him, and anything passed would be destroyed. I mean, light even passes through him, making him invisible, and if light itself can't touch him, then I don't think anything else can

Originally posted by elephant_man
when i said eternity before, i meant TOAA, and the presence. And iv'e said from the beginning that i do think they'd beat flash. But i don't think tat others would be able to kill him. Because unless you can off him the way you say TOAA, and presence can, (just thinking about) then you have to do some kind of damage no matter how powerfull you are right. And if he were to just stand there viabrating, then nothing would hit him, and anything passed would be destroyed. I mean, light even passes through him, making him invisible, and if light itself can't touch him, then I don't think anything else can

Trust me dude. Everybody on that list would beat him. I realize you don't have very much to no knowledge of the people on it, so I'll let what you're saying slide. 😉