So, TOTJ sourcebook was later retconned or there's a contradiction here. Not the first time. And yeah, sourcebooks count, according to Dan Wallace, as much as books in story info-I've posted links proving it before- as they both are approved by editors...and also, waiting for where Bane said anything on the subject.
What contradiction? Where was it stated specifically that Sidious invented the Force Storm and that he was the only one that could use it in history? The TOTJ companion mentions that it's a dark side ability that Jedi (dark jedi especially) could pull off.
The Jedi are fighting from the start...four Jedi. That's it. And about to fall? When was THAT mentioned?
The NARRATOR mentions that Coruscant is about to fall.
Right, because the amulet is the same thing as a fleet destroying attack when your'e under attack...by a fleet! And Ludo dies on what, the second page? Third maybe after he comes back and one panel of fighting before the ship slams into Ludo?
Irrelevant, Ludo was fighting and he did attack Naga Sadow.
Essential Chronology, written by KJA: Naga Sadow used an electrical weapon on his ship etc etc....and in The Sith War, when Exar says the weapon on the ship destroyed a star.
Already addressed. Why is the newer edition suddenly not canon when it supports an ancient Sith argument?
Take it up with the canon: It did say "all known, unknown and forgotten techniques and invents new ones at his pleasure." And nope, Morichrio and Malacia are Jedi arts...Luke shoots down Vergere's theories in Dark Nest.
Nowhere did I say Morichro or Malacia are not Jedi arts.
All known, unknown, and forgotten does not mean "all known, all unknown, and all forgotten." Sorry, the modifier of all is not carried over. It's simply impossible for Sidious to know all "unknown" force abilities, nor can he dig it out of his ass the "forgotten one." And it's irrelevant, as he still lost anyway.
Sidious could imbue people with the power of the dark side too and Tavion was the one who apparently discovered the idea of imbuing, considering it couldn't do it at the drop of the hat and needed absorbed energy. And all Of Vjun, or Vader's castle?
It said she drained from Vjun, not "Vader's castle." The player goes to Vader's castle. Again, the only time we see her actually draining from a source at all is the temples on Yavin, which is a huge source.
Yes, and this was merely one of several trinkets the ancient Sith had.
Kreia is going on what? Hearsay? Her beliefs? I'd trust Yoda over Kreia any day.
Kreia is going on experience in learning the Sith Arts maybe? Glad that you'd trust Yoda more, but you also trust an older edition of the Chronology (another guidebook) but not the TOTJ companion or the New Essential Chronology when it states evidence contrary to your beliefs.
Sorry, but Sidious was stated to have those abilities, so that kind of rebuttal doesn't fly.
Stated to have, not stated to be able to use. Again, he doesn't use it; so again, does that prove he can't? According to your prior logic in this very thread, yes it does. Don't argue with yourself, if your logic can't stay consistent, we won't bother.
Notice in De, Luke is described as a divinity, incredibly powerful and a titan? And the 'purest light' in the galaxy?
Could him being one of the few Jedi around have anything to do with that?
And again, these hyperbolic descriptions are nothing if not substantiated. Luke years after DE struggled with Kun's spirit.
And know, you can't assume a thing because it states he does know them, whereas there's...what exactly stating what the Ancients knew?
We know they have a scepter that drains, stores, imbues, and makes attack with pure fore energy. We know they have amulets that can fire blasts that "double in power with each pulse" and vaporize things on contact. We know they made swords that can withstand lightsabers and swirl with sith power. We know they can create ships that can rip cores with Sith Technology, we know they could create great war beasts with Sith Alchemy, we know they can destroy stars with sith sorcery, we know their remnant artifacts and knowledge made Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, and even Sidious into godlike beings in the galaxy.
But of course, they don't have anything of any value.
They displayed plenty in just 2 comics of showings, yet apparently, nothing is ever good enough when it comes to comparing someone to your favorite character.
Kreia is going on experience in learning the Sith Arts maybe? Glad that you'd trust Yoda more, but you also trust an older edition of the Chronology (another guidebook) but not the TOTJ companion or the New Essential Chronology when it states evidence contrary to your beliefs.
Funny, Lightsnake was claiming that the NEC was god's gift to Star Wars when one line supported Sidious. But now that it supports the ancient Sith he's all poo-pooing it?
Originally posted by Illustrious
What contradiction? Where was it stated specifically that Sidious invented the Force Storm and that he was the only one that could use it in history? The TOTJ companion mentions that it's a dark side ability that Jedi (dark jedi especially) could pull off.The NARRATOR mentions that Coruscant is about to fall.
Irrelevant, Ludo was fighting and he did attack Naga Sadow.
Already addressed. Why is the newer edition suddenly not canon when it supports an ancient Sith argument?
Nowhere did I say Morichro or Malacia are not Jedi arts.
All known, unknown, and forgotten does not mean "all known, all unknown, and all forgotten." Sorry, the modifier of all is not carried over. It's simply impossible for Sidious to know all "unknown" force abilities, nor can he dig it out of his ass the "forgotten one." And it's irrelevant, as he still lost anyway.
It said she drained from Vjun, not "Vader's castle." The player goes to Vader's castle. Again, the only time we see her actually draining from a source at all is the temples on Yavin, which is a huge source.
Yes, and this was merely one of several trinkets the ancient Sith had.
Kreia is going on experience in learning the Sith Arts maybe? Glad that [b]you'd
trust Yoda more, but you also trust an older edition of the Chronology (another guidebook) but not the TOTJ companion or the New Essential Chronology when it states evidence contrary to your beliefs.Stated to have, not stated to be able to use. Again, he doesn't use it; so again, does that prove he can't? According to your prior logic in this very thread, yes it does. Don't argue with yourself, if your logic can't stay consistent, we won't bother.
Could him being one of the few Jedi around have anything to do with that?
And again, these hyperbolic descriptions are nothing if not substantiated. Luke years after DE struggled with Kun's spirit.
We know they have a scepter that drains, stores, imbues, and makes attack with pure fore energy. We know they have amulets that can fire blasts that "double in power with each pulse" and vaporize things on contact. We know they made swords that can withstand lightsabers and swirl with sith power. We know they can create ships that can rip cores with Sith Technology, we know they could create great war beasts with Sith Alchemy, we know they can destroy stars with sith sorcery, we know their remnant artifacts and knowledge made Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, and even Sidious into godlike beings in the galaxy.
But of course, they don't have anything of any value.
They displayed plenty in just 2 comics of showings, yet apparently, nothing is ever good enough when it comes to comparing someone to your favorite character. [/B]
DE showed Sidious apparently created the force storm by focusing his anger on the fabric of space. There's the contradiction.
And Ludo does...how soon after he attacks? Momentarily?
The new edition was described by the author as an in document source, and since KJA's word is so important to the process, apparently it contradicts what he had to say.
And please...I can't believe this...how the hell else can all be applied? All known, previously unknown and forgotten techniques and invents new ones at his pleasure? The word 'all' means 'all' and would apply to the entire sentence, not just one word because you want it to.
That's great, but she was at Vader's castle in Vjun and there's nothing to substantiate her being anywhere else.
And sometihng in the NEC says the Ancient Sith>The current Sith? And who's the more trustworthy source...one of the most knowledgable Jedi masters ever who's fought Sidious and from whose POV we're seeing or a known manipulator?
Once again: Sidious was stated to know everything to that point, and besides the former sentence in the DE SBK, it said he had mastered every aspect of the force in all its guises and mastered all techniques of the Jedi and Sith, with numerous other groups as well.
'Incredibly powerful.' Period. No comparisons, nothing, so...nope, it doesn;t.
Proof how they got or made any of those trinkets? and I'm waiting for where Bane mentioned the Ancient Sith. And PAlpatine showed plenty of power too and was stated to know everything up to his point...of course, that's irrelevant to the love of the Ancients...never mind Sadow was the only one who did anythhing worthwhile...what'd Ludo do that was so strong exactly?