Not sure how they're going to do that when they're stopped/frozen in place with a stop spell that takes around .2 seconds to cast. 😛
Also, Riku was (yup) the giant heartless fought on Destiny Islands, as well. Events in KH COM for GBA confirms this. Plus the fact as Xehanort's Heartless (called "Ansem" in KH1) he could summon a couple of these, colossal beings. They are around the same size as the ones in Shadow of the Colossus (video game).
Ansem is also pretty fast. In KH2 Final Mix he appeared in front of Roxas instantly and disabled him. There are more than one reason I don't see Mario and Luigi having the time to do much of anything, especially using power ups.
Originally posted by Shutter Control
Not sure how they're going to do that when they're stopped/frozen in place with a stop spell that takes around .2 seconds to cast. 😛Also, Riku was (yup) the giant heartless fought on Destiny Islands, as well. Events in KH COM for GBA confirms this. Plus the fact as Xehanort's Heartless (called "Ansem" in KH1) he could summon a couple of these, colossal beings. They are around the same size as the ones in Shadow of the Colossus (video game).
Ansem is also pretty fast. In KH2 Final Mix he appeared in front of Roxas instantly and disabled him. There are more than one reason I don't see Mario and Luigi having the time to do much of anything, especially using power ups.
I smell theories and straight up lies.
I never played Chain of Memories because the card system sucked and I had it on the PS2 so the level design drove me absolutely insane, but Riku being that huge heartless is ridiculous. Ansem in KH1 could only summon 1, and if I watched the video I might even find that he didn't summon it, but I don't totally remember. They are nothing close to the size of the Colossus.
The Timestop spell must be aimed, and Mario can easily avoid this. Luigi dies pretty easily.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverMaybe not in every case. Here it does.
A spell with a casting time of one second does not a win make,
Originally posted by XanatosForeverAnd they somehow start off using a mushroom, a star, a flower etc. and use them all in .5 of a second? Whatever.
A spell with a casting time of one second does not a win make, when all power-ups the bros have are instantaneous.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverThat's fanboyism unless something can confirm it. When were Mario and Luigi a fifth of mach speed, since they need to reach around that level to outbeat a reaction time as shown (4:28) used to cast a spell that takes .5 seconds:YouTube video
By the time Sora would done making his little pose and calling out "STOP", Mario and Luigi will be grinding the both of them into the pavement.
In between 00:24 and 00:25 Stop is casted. When I see Mario and Luigi grinding opponents in less than the casting time (giving the benefit of the doubt they know Sora is going to use it) maybe your argument won't look like random bs.YouTube video
Sora is 16, and bigger than Mario (not counting fat) so what the heck is little?
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallNeither is all of Mario + Luigi's stuff in any one of their games, if I'm not mistaken. They made more Mario games than God could count.
Now I think that Sora/Riku win, but note that stop isn't available in KH2,
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallIf you were following along, Namine pieced back the bits of memory lost and everyone regained their memories/abilities. That is how Sora knew his friends when he woke up from the slumber at the beginning of KH2, and it's not like Stop is the only way option availabe. Till now I am wondering as to how the KH team is to be touched when Riku is passing his team across dimensions throwing the other into one (without prior notice).YouTube videoThe beginning of this. In case this is not familiar to everyone, BFR'ing (which is placing an enemy into another dimension) unless, the victim can get himself out without some kind of plot device, counts as a loss for the victim. It is the worst case of ring-out.
and since he forgot all of his magic at the beginning of KH2, it must mean that he never relearned it.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallThat's not an argument. A boss can be so at an early chapter and then become a normal enemy later on. This happened with the purple heartless knight in Traverse Town - he was not a boss in the coliseum.
Oh, and stop only works on non-bosses, and Mario/Luigi would qualify as bosses.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticePlease be more specific. I just confirmed what I was telling about Stop and posted further evidence Sora and Riku have high reaction times (the latter is gameplay, and event-based, since since it is triggered and cannot be avoided, so this is pure canon. Where are Mario and Luigi's canon traits, if any?)
I smell theories and straight up lies.
Riku being the colossus on Destiny Islands (3:47 - 3:57)YouTube video
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeHim summoning one in KH1 does not equal he can only summon one. Through the double doors there were scores of them. Even though I can't find evidence he can summon them, on his ship in the last fight were many Heartless appearing around him, so he can definitely summon. So nevermind about the big heartless, now were are left with Riku BFRing (dimension warping) the team, what a shame.
II never played Chain of Memories because the card system sucked and I had it on the PS2 so the level design drove me absolutely insane, but Riku being that huge heartless is ridiculous. Ansem in KH1 could only summon 1, and if I watched the video I might even find that he didn't summon it, but I don't totally remember. They are nothing close to the size of the Colossus.
You're right, they are not as big as the colossus. I had to take another look and compare the two. They are at least able to fit any normal human in a fist.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeAimed my ass. You could be surrounded and cast Stopga - as long as they are within the vicinity (which M&L will most likely be) victims are affected, as the video clearly shows. Being able to lock-on does not mean only what you lock on will be affected. If you want to give Sora lock-on abilities (which I believe are somewhat exaggerated in the game) he now can lock on the team and there will be no difference. Stopga does not miss; it is not projected. M&L are not somehow magically and miraculously avoiding it.
IThe Timestop spell must be aimed, and Mario can easily avoid this. Luigi dies pretty easily.
Originally posted by Shutter Control
Maybe not in every case. Here it does.And they somehow start off using a mushroom, a star, a flower etc. and use them all in less than .5 of a second? Whatever.
That's fanboyism unless something can confirm it. When were Mario and Luigi a fifth of mach speed, since they need to reach around that level to outbeat a reaction time as shown (4:28) used to cast a spell that takes less than .5 seconds:
I'm sure you've played at least one of Mario title in your lifetime. The power-ups are an instantaneous effect upon contact by the bros. Starman, Maple Leaf, Cape Feather, Super Mushroom, Fire Flower, etc., etc. all bestow their particular effects on the brothers immediately upon contact. It's probably the plumbers' most unique skill.
You, my fellow forum-goer, need to prove to me that Sora and Riku can find a way past the bros. massive arsenal. Hell, I haven't even tried debating other factors, because really, if they can't deal with the items, then they have no chance.
Editing time finished. This is where they were before the video showing the endless abyss, hence this is 2 of 3 and the other is the final part. They were on Destiny Islands first, then transported to another realm:YouTube videoEdit: Once again, you are assuming they start off with all these items at their disposal (and can use them all instantly) which even with my knowledge of many past Mario titles is bs. Not once did Mario multi-use items all in a matter of half of a second. You also missed the part about them getting BFR'd. It does not matter what they have, unless they can dimension-traverse (which I think they can with a flute, or something).
Originally posted by Shutter Control
Please be more specific. I just confirmed what I was telling about Stop and posted further evidence Sora and Riku have high reaction times (the latter is gameplay, and event-based, since since it is triggered and cannot be avoided, so this is pure canon. Where are Mario and Luigi's canon traits, if any?)Riku being the colossus on Destiny Islands (3:47 - 3:57)YouTube video
Him summoning one in KH1 does not equal he can only summon one. Through the double doors there were scores of them. Even though I can't find evidence he can summon them, on his ship in the last fight were many Heartless appearing around him, so he can definitely summon. So nevermind about the big heartless, now were are left with Riku BFRing (dimension warping) the team, what a shame.
You're right, they are not as big as the colossus. I had to take another look and compare the two. They are at least able to fit any normal human in a fist.
Aimed my ass. You could be surrounded and cast Stopga - as long as they are within the vicinity (which M&L will most likely be) victims are affected, as the video clearly shows. Being able to lock-on does not mean only what you lock on will be affected. If you want to give Sora lock-on abilities (which I believe are somewhat exaggerated in the game) he now can lock on the team and there will be no difference. Stopga does not miss; it is not projected. M&L are not somehow magically and miraculously avoiding it.
I'd have to go digging through old threads to find my Mario stuff. However, I could probably find a vid of Mario jumping an incredible height, easy manipulation of which would make it very hard for Sora to cast his Stop spell on Mario. Luigi still dies pretty easily.
Yeah, those big Heartless were inside the door to Kingdom Hearts, which Ansem had no control over.
Yeah. That sounds about right. But still, they move slowly and didn't seem to be incredibly powerful. I don't remember what you were trying to use them to prove. Ansem can't BFR either. Those portals are just a way to show that Sora enters Ansem's gigantic form to free Donald and Goofy for their help.
I don't think Riku has the ability to do that either. I think he chooses to use less of his Dark power, or understands how to use less of it than the real fake Ansem did. Weren't they in the darkest place in the universe for those fights too? Seems like that might have enhanced Ansem's power, though there isn't any proof of that.
Mario can leave the area of effect pretty fast. All it takes is a jump and he's gone. I'll have to find that video.
Originally posted by Shutter Control
Once again, you are assuming they start off with all these items at their disposal (and can use them all instantly) which even with my knowledge of many past Mario titles is bs. Not once did Mario multi-use items all in a matter of half of a second. You also missed the part about them getting BFR'd. It does not matter what they have, unless they can dimension-traverse (which I think they can with a flute, or something).
I'm assuming they start off with their items because the op stated they had all items, and unless you've been under a rock since the 80's, you should know that, with very few exceptions, Mario world power-ups are instantaneous. Riku can't BFR Starman Mario & Luigi (and even if he somehow did, you just so conveniently pointed out that they can reverse it.)
Now, if the bros. were limited to only a few of their power-ups, and depending on which ones, I'd be willing to say team KH can win. This is not the case, which means the plumbers come out on top. No amount of JRPG flash can change that fact.