Sora, Riku Vs. Mario, Luigi

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You'd have to prove that Ansem had control over Kingdom Hearts. Otherwise he doesn't.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah, no. It took the entirety of a Heartless army to overrun one world. The big thing is just there for a boss battle.

And at 2:44 of this I used before, Riku was the one who destroyed it.YouTube videoThis very video also shows as I said before that he was the colossal heartless. This was all done by Riku.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ansem controlled the power of Darkness. He only used Riku's body. Now that Riku has control of his body again, he does not have all the power Ansem had. He only has what he uses because he needed it to capture Roxas.

Umm, k?

If this does not suffice, how about Riku having powers enough to actually defeat Xehanort's Heartless in Castle Oblivion (Reverse/Rebirth mode; this is Riku's side of the story), as Striding Cloud pointed out on the first page:

Having come to terms with who he is, Riku turned into a being halfway between light and dark in the "twilight". This allowed him to gain powers far beyond what he had before, which he used to overcome Xehanort at the ground level of Castle Oblivion. Knowing that he is neither completely dark nor completely light, he and Mickey leave Castle Oblivion walking the path between, not of "twilight", but the road to "dawn". Riku also knows that despite his victory, a trace of Xehanort still remains.

If that still does not suffice, 2:56 - 3:40 clearly shows Riku had all the power Xehanort's Heartless ever had, so your point is moot.YouTube video

What are you serious? You want to use Ansem in this fight simply because he possessed Riku's body at one point?

K. Luigi gets to be merged with Dimentio and his giant robot that made the final boss in the end of Super Paper Mario.

Insta win.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
What are you serious? You want to use Ansem in this fight simply because he possessed Riku's body at one point?.

That's not what Shutter is saying at all.

Yes, it is. He is wanting to give Riku all the abilities that Ansem possessed, simply because Ansem controlled Riku's body at one point.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yes, it is. He is wanting to give Riku all the abilities that Ansem possessed, simply because Ansem controlled Riku's body at one point.

Riku was able to become him even though he was defeated permanently. Did you already miss the vid where he defeats Roxas? Riku transformed by his own will. That's something Luigi could never do.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
What are you serious? You want to use Ansem in this fight simply because he possessed Riku's body at one point?

K. Luigi gets to be merged with Dimentio and his giant robot that made the final boss in the end of Super Paper Mario.

Insta win.

The other point you're missing is that Ansem has been defeated in KH1, and what appears of Ansem (X's heartless) after that is within Riku's heart. Again from the first page:

Riku and Mickey confronted the remains of Xehanort's heart, [b]which lived on Riku's heart as a corruption of the darkness within him, and defeated him.[/b]

This was apparently ever since Riku "gave into the dark" so to speak.

They were two separate beings at the start of KH1. Then, during the night the islands were destroyed Riku embraced it.

By COM and KH2, they definitely weren't. Ansem was in his heart from then on, and also did not lose any power. Video in previous post (using again) shows Ansem is as strong as he ever was (dialogue proves it, so I'm not assuming anything). It also shows Riku had the SAME powers, hence "I used all the power you had to give, and Sora still beat me. I'm not at all impressed with your powers".

Riku using Ansem's powers isn't Ansem controlling Riku.

This is 100% confirmation Riku has X's heartless' powers and had no shortage of it.

Edit time passed. Ansem not losing any powers is confirmed by "you should know my powers well by now".

Why would he be saying this if the power he currently has, has gone down since the time Riku possessed the whole of it (Riku: "I used ALL the power you had to give"😉? There's a lie in the question.

For someone who may say later all the power Ansem had to give =/= all of Ansem's powers, that would be dumb considering Riku said this right after Ansem's (using Ansem now because typing X's heartless is getting tedious) statement: "you should know my powers well by now", indicating the obvious fact Ansem lost no powers at any point. If he was losing powers between games his powers wouldn't be known well.

Edit time passed, again. Aside from one of the things I said it indicated, for the purpose of showing it was not just part of his power he lent (which I'm not saying anyone argued, yet), there's no reason Riku would say what he did and meant that he used part of Ansem's whole power, immediately after Ansem telling him he should know his powers well. When Riku says he used all the powers Ansem had to give, got defeated, and he's not impressed with Ansem's powers, he does not mean part of it if Ansem right before this said he should be familiar with his powers. The only way that argument can stand is if Ansem said "you should know part of my powers well by now".

The last COM video was the console version. GBA version shows further description of the conversation, and it is between 2:31 and 3:00.YouTube video

If someone doesn't feel like playing the video, the statements are "you've been conquered by me once before. You should know what sort of power you face" by Ansem, and "Oh, I do. I used all the power you had to give and still lost to Sora. I'm not impressed" by Riku.

So yes, anyone who would like to use Riku at his prime (when he had all of Ansem's powers, unless, the info provided by Striding Cloud on the first page saying "This allowed him (Riku) to gain powers far beyond what he had before, which he used to overcome Xehanort at the ground level of Castle Oblivion" is correct, in which case Riku at prime level is now above Ansem) may as well use Xehanort's Heartless at his greatest.