Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Riku and Sora deflected thousands of Ethereal blades and dealt with enemies that would make Giga Bowser shit himself.All of Mario's uber powerups don't even last a minute
Seriously? You're a major JRPG fan, aren't you?
Less that a minute is all the bros. would need. Seriously, stop underestimating the plumbers.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
I already went over that point, Bro. Starman + Golden Mushroom gives them the speed. Giant Mushroom clinches it.
The only thing the golden mushroom is going to do is act like an elixir. Mario is not a race kart. The Mega mushroom is only going to make him a fat target once the starman wears off.
Mario is not fast and his jumps aren't gonna save him.
Sora + Riku win.
They are faster, having shown to be able to run at extremely fast speed.
They are more agile, having shown to be able to block thousands of lasers at once.
They can deal out more damage, having shown to be able to one shot buildings.
They can fly.
Heck, they can ever JUMP higher (which is supposed to be Mario's signature trait), as Sora was shown to effortlessly jump UP a skyscraper size height in one leap.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Mario can jump on bullets, lift castles, and fly through space. 😐 He wins on his own. Facotring that luigi is here too, and they both have an asshload of power ups, this is spite.
By bullets, do you mean bullet bills? They move extremely slow, nowhere near as fast as an actual bullet. Oh, and I don't know why Bowser still has them in his army. They do more harm than good.
How big were the castles?
I assume that you mean in Super Mario Galaxy. Flying through space is irrelevant in this thread, unless if the battle takes place in outer space.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteBullet Bills are the size of cars and move sloooooow. 😐
Mario can jump on bullets, lift castles, and fly through space. 😐 He wins on his own. Facotring that luigi is here too, and they both have an asshload of power ups, this is spite.
Lift castles and barely lift King Bob Omb.
Fly though space? Did not play Galaxies, elaborate nao.
Space is a ridiculously hostile environment, it's impressive.
Annd you're making the mistake of confusing what the player can see, with how fast things move in canon. A bullet would be unable to sustain flight/trajectory if it actually moved that slow 😬 Mario can clearly handle it.
Ever been inside a castle in SMW?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Space is a ridiculously hostile environment, it's impressive.
When he has a luma in his hat, he can breath in space.
...so what? Does that somehow make him more powerful? And one could argue that when Sora and Riku were fighting Armored Xemnas #2 in that void there might have been no air. Heck, it's likely, since it was all blackish despite the fact that there were (as far as I remember) light sources, and air is not blackish. Not only were they flying in it, but they were bouncing back buildings.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteAnnd you're making the mistake of confusing what the player can see, with how fast things move in canon. A bullet would be unable to sustain flight/trajectory if it actually moved that slow 😬 Mario can clearly handle it.
Are you seriously trying to use physics to describe Mario's feats???? 😂
How come in Super Mario Galaxy black holes can be at the center of a planet and somehow not suck the planet in? How can the "planets" (many of which are the size of a house) have a large enough gravitational field to keep Mario walking on them? How come the "galaxies" are in reality smaller than a neighborhood block? Why does Bowser's army still use ships that look like 18th century pirate ships?
The bills are sustained through some sort of hovering mechanism (like helicopters) or simply magic. And any random guy worth his salt can dodge those things, considering their sub par speed.
@the castle part:
How big is it? Did Mario litterally lift the same castle that was the same size?
PLEASE don't tell me that it was just on an overworld map and was just a representation:
In the Total War series, your troops are bigger than cities on the overworld map. Does that mean that they are? Of course not! It's just a representation.
Mario and Luigi are nowhere near Sora and Riku in power. You know how Mario typically has a few hps (ranging from 1 to about 3) and every times he gets hit he loses one? Well, Sora in final form can hit a rates of quite possibly (although I haven't timed it) over 10 a SECOND. Also, even if bullet bills were as fast as bullets, I could counter by saying that Sora could dodge LASERS like in the final battle. Also, Sora has shown teleportation.
Wow, Nintendo fans just don't get it, do they? Mario and Luigi have fun games, but to suggest they can actually defeat Sora and Riku is laughable. They're plumbers with toon force feats for god's sake. The "castle" Mario lifted was barely bigger than he was, him throwing it was just for humor like when one of the castle's accidentally blows up in his face. They can't actually live in space. SMG "planets" have diameters of like 50 feet at they're largest and they're only a hundred feet apart at best. The game isn't actually suggesting Mario can survive a vaccum, once again, it's just a fun visual. And to say they can jump on bullets? LOL. Bullet Bills are not as fast as real bullets.
Seriously. It's okay to like Nintendo, I'm a big fan of their games myself. The problem is when fandom becomes fanboyism and you try to use joke feats to make all of Nintendo's character "teh ub3r bezt EVAR!!!!!!111!!!"
What you're doing is like trying to say Peter Griffin >>>>>>>> Hercules because in a joke cutaway they have him surviving the vacuum of space and laughing after he was sucked out of his suit. Don't confuse real feats with silliness.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteShow me.
Space is a ridiculously hostile environment, it's impressive.Annd you're making the mistake of confusing what the player can see, with how fast things move in canon. A bullet would be unable to sustain flight/trajectory if it actually moved that slow 😬 Mario can clearly handle it.
Ever been inside a castle in SMW?
Prove they are the speed of a bullet or shut up. Bullet Bills are not real bullets, they are sentient beings, ever consider they have the ability to, I don't know, fly? 😱
Ever lifted King Bob Omb in SM64?
The only game with feats like that are in SMW, which clearly deviate from the norm in the series, since other times he struggles to lift far lighter weights.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Mario can jump on bullets, lift castles, and fly through space. 😐 He wins on his own. Facotring that luigi is here too, and they both have an asshload of power ups, this is spite.
The castle lift was clearly toon force just like his magical window wiper, surviving an exploding castle at close range with a black face w/ wide eyes, and a hill getting a white x when struck by a projectile.
As for the other powerups, they're nothing Sora hasn't already encountered before.
And seriously, jump on bullets? A mushroom can outrun those "bullets" and its not faster than my cat.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
I'm sure you've played at least one of Mario title in your lifetime. The power-ups are an instantaneous effect upon contact by the bros. Starman, Maple Leaf, Cape Feather, Super Mushroom, Fire Flower, etc., etc. all bestow their particular effects on the brothers immediately upon contact. It's probably the plumbers' most unique skill.
Just how the hell are they going to use a fireflower, mushroom, a star and whatever else they have all in an "instant"? Where in a game have either used all (or, several) of these items at once?
Originally posted by XanatosForever
You, my fellow forum-goer, need to prove to me that Sora and Riku can find a way past the bros. massive arsenal. Hell, I haven't even tried debating other factors, because really, if they can't deal with the items, then they have no chance.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'd have to go digging through old threads to find my Mario stuff. However, I could probably find a vid of Mario jumping an incredible height, easy manipulation of which would make it very hard for Sora to cast his Stop spell on Mario. Luigi still dies pretty easily.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah, those big Heartless were inside the door to Kingdom Hearts, which Ansem had no control over.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah. That sounds about right. But still, they move slowly and didn't seem to be incredibly powerful. I don't remember what you were trying to use them to prove.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ansem can't BFR either. Those portals are just a way to show that Sora enters Ansem's gigantic form to free Donald and Goofy for their help.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I don't think Riku has the ability to do that either. I think he chooses to use less of his Dark power, or understands how to use less of it than the real fake Ansem did. Weren't they in the darkest place in the universe for those fights too? Seems like that might have enhanced Ansem's power, though there isn't any proof of that.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Mario can leave the area of effect pretty fast. All it takes is a jump and he's gone. I'll have to find that video.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
I'm assuming they start off with their items because the op stated they had all items, and unless you've been under a rock since the 80's,
Originally posted by XanatosForever
you should know that, with very few exceptions, Mario world power-ups are instantaneous.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Riku can't BFR Starman Mario & Luigi (and even if he somehow did, you just so conveniently pointed out that they can reverse it.)
Originally posted by XanatosForeverYet somehow you are aware of all of Riku and Sora's items, powerups, forms and abilities and concluded logically they don't stand a chance. Ok. 🙂
Now, if the bros. were limited to only a few of their power-ups, and depending on which ones, I'd be willing to say team KH can win. This is not the case, which means the plumbers come out on top. No amount of JRPG flash can change that fact.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Mario has deminsion flip so... BFR isn't going to work.
Originally posted by Quincy
Sora and Riku vs Invincible Mario and LuigiSeriously?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Whatever helps you sleep at night, bro.
You'd have to prove that Ansem had control over Kingdom Hearts. Otherwise he doesn't.
Yeah, no. It took the entirety of a Heartless army to overrun one world. The big thing is just there for a boss battle.
Ansem controlled the power of Darkness. He only used Riku's body. Now that Riku has control of his body again, he does not have all the power Ansem had. He only has what he uses because he needed it to capture Roxas.
Umm, k?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ansem controlled the power of Darkness. He only used Riku's body. Now that Riku has control of his body again, he does not have all the power Ansem had. He only has what he uses because he needed it to capture Roxas.Umm, k?
Thats not true! Riku undoubtedly has darkness in his heart, and always had it. That's why the keyblade had never chosen him. It realized that Riku had the darkness in his heart before Ansem was even part of the equation. It wasn't strictly for Roxas. He accepted the darkness as power during Roxas' fight though, because Rox was too strong for him.