Marka Ragnos vs DN Luke and DE Sidious

Originally posted by Borbarad
Yes it can be tailored to how the user wants. And if the user wants "instakill" it's an "instakill". Easy to understand.

Because all Exar had and knew was coming from the Ancient Sith including his gauntlet ? So if Kun can crush a force user with his force power the more powerful ancient Sith could most likely do the same thing.

Man. What do you want ? We also don't know if Luke's attacks can be blocked, same with Sidious his attacks. It works in both directions. And yes - ancient Sith artifacts can be destroyed - but not while being used by ancient Sith. If you want to start like this: We have seen Sidious destroying Leia's lightsaber in DE - does that mean every fight here turns into a fist fight after 3 seconds now ? Because in this case Ragnos has this easily

If creating solar flares easily, creating entire illusionary armies throwing entire fleets arround and rip almost anything apart with some Sith alchemy tools is irrelevant (to you) then anything Sidious did is vice versa.

Great, so Palp has all those instakills at his disposal.

Ah, so exar's knowledge is inferior to Palpatine's?

Tell that 'they can't be destroyed while being used by Ancient Sith' to Ludo and Ragnos...Ragnos's sceptre got shattered in his battle and Ludo happily destroyed his own weapon. You're still operating under conjecture with ragnos. With Palp, I can use instances, abilities and quotes to actually back it up. You know what I want? Ragnos doing something to match up to what Palps has done, a quote that proves his knowledge surpassed anyone of the future or the past, something that applies by a narrarator that states Ragnos's full power and knowledge. I'd like you guys to stop utterly downplaying Palps and the like's abilities. Something describing him as a god, a pure manifestation of the darkside, needing the Jedi of eons to lock his soul away, him unbalancing the force, his death weakening the dark side, him having mastered the force in all its guises, including Jedi and Sith sides of it, moving faster than the eye could see, able to shatter the fabric of space, kill opponents from a great distance when his anger was focused, something beyond what's done with electrical weapons and alchemical creations, something that is NOT conjecture on Ragnos's power. Something concrete

Brakiss tossed around solar flares as a game for Zekk, Luke created illusionary armies, and 'Sith alchemy tools?' are power? You mean an 'electrical weapon?' Palpatine's Force storm was described as the single greatest usage of the dark side. By the narrarator.

Ok just an off-topic thing.....

Why did Ragnos throw away the scepter (when he had possesed Tavion's body) like it was useless and instead pulled out his sword?

How could Tavion lift Ragnos sword?

I never got those things....

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Great, so Palp has all those instakills at his disposal.

Great. Until we see Palp using them, he doesn't.

Ah, so exar's knowledge is inferior to Palpatine's?

Let me see: When did Palpatine visit Yavin 4 to learn everything from Kun, Sadow and Nadd ? When did he visit the destroyed planet Malachor V to learn about it's secrets. It didn't happen ? And I'm sure Sidious amassed more knowledge (considering he had more time). But knowledge doesn't equal victory. Would DE Luke be able to defeat a living Kun when JA Luke wasn't able to defeat Kun's spirit ? No, I don't think so.

Tell that 'they can't be destroyed while being used by Ancient Sith' to Ludo and Ragnos...Ragnos's sceptre got shattered in his battle and Ludo happily destroyed his own weapon.

Lude destroyed his own weapon, yes. Think about it you poor excuse for an intelligent lifeform. And Ragnos threw his sceptre away to use his sword against Jaden. But nevermind.

You're still operating under conjecture with ragnos. With Palp, I can use instances, abilities and quotes to actually back it up. You know what I want? Ragnos doing something to match up to what Palps has done, a quote that proves his knowledge surpassed anyone of the future or the past, something that applies by a narrarator that states Ragnos's full power and knowledge.

Yes. Calling him "the most powerful of the most powerful" equipped with "titanic" powers isn't just enough. Ruling people who happily destroyed entire star systems with their force powers for more than a century isn't either. No. The fact that he tooled "the greatest Sith magician alive" in a duel doesn't mean jack shit too. Really.

I'd like you guys to stop utterly downplaying Palps and the like's abilities. Something describing him as a god, a pure manifestation of the darkside, needing the Jedi of eons to lock his soul away, him unbalancing the force, his death weakening the dark side, him having mastered the force in all its guises, including Jedi and Sith sides of it, moving faster than the eye could see, able to shatter the fabric of space, kill opponents from a great distance when his anger was focused, something beyond what's done with electrical weapons and alchemical creations, something that is NOT conjecture on Ragnos's power. Something concrete

I like you to stop building a pedestal for Sidious by telling lies and exaggerate the words of actual source by overinterpreting them beyond belive.

It took the Jedi of eons to lock away his soul ? Great. Apparently the Jedi of eons couldn lock away the souls of the Ancient Sith Lords who kept wandering through the Galaxy several millenia after their death. Ancient Sith > Sidious.

Because he mastered really everything he had his ass nearly handed to a green muppet, had to kill his master while the master was sleeping and of course got pwned by several people without any reason. It just happened.

Vader force choked people to death that were lightyears away. ESB Vader > Ancient Sith now ?

Brakiss tossed around solar flares as a game for Zekk,

Sidious did the very same - nowhere. Thanks.

You mean an 'electrical weapon?'

Did I miss the batteries attached to Kun's amulet and Ragnos sceptre ?

Palpatine's Force storm was described as the single greatest usage of the dark side. By the narrarator.

Jap. While Palpatine was using an entire planet as power backup. It's nice how something like this turns Raynar into a force god able to rival DN Luke - but it does nothing to Palpatine's powers. Can you remind me why he didn't just smite the Rebel fleet in ROTJ with a force storm or instakilled Luke in ROTJ ?

Originally posted by Borbarad
Great. Until we see Palp using them, he doesn't.

Let me see: When did Palpatine visit Yavin 4 to learn everything from Kun, Sadow and Nadd ? When did he visit the destroyed planet Malachor V to learn about it's secrets. It didn't happen ? And I'm sure Sidious amassed more knowledge (considering he had more time). But knowledge doesn't equal victory. Would DE Luke be able to defeat a living Kun when JA Luke wasn't able to defeat Kun's spirit ? No, I don't think so.

Lude destroyed his own weapon, yes. Think about it you poor excuse for an intelligent lifeform. And Ragnos threw his sceptre away to use his sword against Jaden. But nevermind.

Yes. Calling him "the most powerful of the most powerful" equipped with "titanic" powers isn't just enough. Ruling people who happily destroyed entire star systems with their force powers for more than a century isn't either. No. The fact that he tooled "the greatest Sith magician alive" in a duel doesn't mean jack shit too. Really.

I like you to stop building a pedestal for Sidious by telling lies and exaggerate the words of actual source by overinterpreting them beyond belive.

It took the Jedi of eons to lock away his soul ? Great. Apparently the Jedi of eons couldn lock away the souls of the Ancient Sith Lords who kept wandering through the Galaxy several millenia after their death. Ancient Sith > Sidious.

Because he mastered really everything he had his ass nearly handed to a green muppet, had to kill his master while the master was sleeping and of course got pwned by several people without any reason. It just happened.

Vader force choked people to death that were lightyears away. ESB Vader > Ancient Sith now ?

Sidious did the very same - nowhere. Thanks.

Did I miss the batteries attached to Kun's amulet and Ragnos sceptre ?

Jap. While Palpatine was using an entire planet as power backup. It's nice how something like this turns Raynar into a force god able to rival DN Luke - but it does nothing to Palpatine's powers. Can you remind me why he didn't just smite the Rebel fleet in ROTJ with a force storm or instakilled Luke in ROTJ ?

Narration states he does. Try again.

Ahh, insults, Nai. Does winning an internet debate mean so much to you? Ragnos also failed to defeat Jaden, couldn't touch him in his own tomb after receiving energy from the scepter and Jaden destroyed his secptre easily. Waiting for that proof.

It was clarified most powerful of the powerful meant 'five thousand years ago.' Try again. Proof Simus was the greatest Sith magician, proof the Sith were destroying star systems, proof Ragnos's powers were described as titanic. Canon sources if you would.

I expect you to ignore every evidence for Sidious that takes away from your king of conjecture. And most Ancient Sith Lords didn't pass on into the Force held by fading Jedi. And once more, petty insults. Green muppet? Yoda? Is your back so against the wall? Ragnos did nothing and got pwned by a neophyte knight while using his sword, empowered by his own tomb. It happens. And light years away? Ozzle was on the executor. Come on, Nai, been asking you for quotes and evidence of Ragnos. You tend to totally ignore how Sidious is outright stated to have mastered every known, previously unknown and new technique...and he invents new ones at his pleasure. Still haven't scene those Ancient Sith do a thing to stars without their electrical weapons-which KJA wrote were used- or demolish fleets. If Naga could do so, he never would have been threatened by the Tetan fleet, nor would Ludo have died how he did.

Palp didn't unleash a force storm because he was enjoying his fleet winning with his BM. And he was having fun torturing Luke. Easy enough?

Still waiting for those proof on Ancient Sith power...electrical weapons>All, right? Something besides conjecture. What's Ragnos done comparing to Palpatine, except in your interpretation? You've been decrying me for taking things as 'interpretations', yet you're rather fond of them yourself.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Narration states he does. Try again.

Where ?

Ahh, insults, Nai. Does winning an internet debate mean so much to you?

No. I have a strange allergy against people that do pocess more eyes than braincells.

Ragnos also failed to defeat Jaden, couldn't touch him in his own tomb after receiving energy from the scepter and Jaden destroyed his secptre easily. Waiting for that proof.

Again comparing spirit to original force user.

It was clarified most powerful of the powerful meant 'five thousand years ago.' Try again. Proof Simus was the greatest Sith magician, proof the Sith were destroying star systems, proof Ragnos's powers were described as titanic. Canon sources if you would.

Proof Sidious was the more powerful than Plagueis. You can't. Sit down. Shut up. You lost.

I expect you to ignore every evidence for Sidious that takes away from your king of conjecture. And most Ancient Sith Lords didn't pass on into the Force held by fading Jedi.

No they just passed into the force without getting hindered by a dying freak in a life support suit.

And once more, petty insults. Green muppet? Yoda? Is your back so against the wall? Ragnos did nothing and got pwned by a neophyte knight while using his sword, empowered by his own tomb.

Again. Comparing Ragnos spirit to the original force user. Can you do anything else ?

And light years away? Ozzle was on the executor.

Hahaha. That's why he was talking to him via a monitor while standing on the bridge of the Executor ? Uh-hu. Of course.

Come on, Nai, been asking you for quotes and evidence of Ragnos. You tend to totally ignore how Sidious is outright stated to have mastered every known, previously unknown and new technique...and he invents new ones at his pleasure. Still haven't scene those Ancient Sith do a thing to stars without their electrical weapons-which KJA wrote were used- or demolish fleets. If Naga could do so, he never would have been threatened by the Tetan fleet, nor would Ludo have died how he did.

Yeah. You did notice that he destroyed the Tetan ships following him and then used the remains of Kressh's fleet as a bareer against the Tetans, didn't you ?

Palp didn't unleash a force storm because he was enjoying his fleet winning with his BM. And he was having fun torturing Luke. Easy enough?

And Ragnos didn't destroy the entire universe because he did enjoy the universe. Way to debate.

Still waiting for those proof on Ancient Sith power...electrical weapons>All, right? Something besides conjecture. What's Ragnos done comparing to Palpatine, except in your interpretation? You've been decrying me for taking things as 'interpretations', yet you're rather fond of them yourself.

My interpretation. Oh well...it's more likely the in universe interpretation of everybody that's talking about the ancient Sith including Luke himself after tooling DE SIdious but somehow this doesn't matter to you. Go on with your Sidious fanboyism. I'm tired of destroying the same shit over and over again. You left the boards crying months ago. You will leave them crying again. No need to argue with you any longer.

Dark side sourcebook, DE Sourcebook.

So, do you sneeze every time you look in the mirror? Seriously, if you're getting this worked up over the internet..

Because a spirit is all we have of Ragnos, the king of conjecture....Ragnos in living flesh with his weapons, empowered by the energy of the staff in his own turf bolstered by the dark side.

Rise of Vader, ROTS novelization. Palpatine surpassed Plageuis. Ok, then.

Vader's in his personal chambers when he kills Ozzle-the meditation thing? And then he puts Piett in charge...what was Piett admiral of? Survery says...Executor!

Using an electrical weapon on his own ship and tactics! That so equates to Naga's power, especially when he was only doing that to get awy when if he had a force storm, he'd have wiped out the Tetan fleet!

Except we've seen Palp instantly kill people, it's been stated he can and Palp has used force storms...Ragnos hasn't. Try again.

Whine, whine, moan, moan, Nai, I've heard it before. You just stamp your foot in a huff when you can;t prove crap about your god. I'm curious, if KJA actually answers that Palpatine is better than the others, what'll you do? You call me a fanboy, but you hanging onto Ragnos and the Ancient Sith, who only do something so godly with an electrical weapon, but you can throw out insults when someone can actually argue and present evidence? Seriously. Destroying? Trying to argue with the sources now? Arguing with exact quotes that say Palp did what he did and knew what knew?
Try again....and for the record, shut up with the fanboy BS. Me defending a character's strength doesn't equate to fanboyism

"Hahaha. That's why he was talking to him via a monitor while standing on the bridge of the Executor ? Uh-hu. Of course"

You made an idiot of yourself there, Borbarad.

Ozzel and Vader were on the same ship.

Hmm...
An old witch, a dwarf and Borbarad stand before the Mirror of Truth. Everybody that tells a lie in front of the mirror gets obliterated immediatly.

Old Witch: "I think I'm the most beautiful woman in the world" *zap* she's gone
Dwarf: "I think I'm the greatest person in the world" *zap* he's gone.
Borbarad: "I think" *zap*

Pwnt!!! 😆

Guys, don't insult him...he deserves respect as much as the next poster

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
Hmm...
An old witch, a dwarf and Borbarad stand before the Mirror of Truth. Everybody that tells a lie in front of the mirror gets obliterated immediatly.

Old Witch: "I think I'm the most beautiful woman in the world" *zap* she's gone
Dwarf: "I think I'm the greatest person in the world" *zap* he's gone.
Borbarad: "I think" *zap*

Pwnt!!! 😆

Gotta love turning around insults from other people that were used on you, right?

Bet you were saving that one for a long time.

Originally posted by Illustrious
Gotta love turning around insults from other people that were used on you, right?

Bet you were saving that one for a long time.

Pwnt!

Unamibguously pwnt

Originally posted by Illustrious
Gotta love turning around insults from other people that were used on you, right?

Bet you were saving that one for a long time.

Indeed.

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
I am a total troll and loser!!!!

Pwnt!!! 😆

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Lightsnake your logic about Sidious possessing every single technique is nothing short of insane and pure fanboyism. So your telling me, in 5000 years knowledge wont be lost? Your saying he mastered every single technique, yet i dont see him, instakilling DE Luke, nor any other Jedi.

Oh, so Sidious had the Ancient Sith's knowledge but not their weaponry nor their teachings great logic there, Sidious is never depicted having a Sith Amulet, nor is he even shown to have learnt more than a fraction of the Ancient Sith.

Logically, Sidious did not have the time nor power to master every last technique of the Dark Side, logically he could not have been at Malachor V, nor find a full storehouse of Ancient Sith lore within the looted tombs of Korriban. Logically he could never have learnt Sadow's powers, because it was destroyed along with Kun.

But i guess none of that matters, to you Sidious learnt every last technique and knew everything...wow way to go fanboy.

Lightsnake your trying to convince the majority of us to go along with your opinion and your beliefs, everyone is entitled to their opinions, adding on to that, if the Ancient Sith didn't impress you that much, DE Sidious does not impress us either, Escape81, provided sufficient information on Sidious's powers based on fact on a thread a while ago.

I'm waiting to see how long it takes you to go into hibernation again.

Janus- first of all, do not edit other people's posts offensively like that.

Secondly, do not bypas sthe censor as an attack on others.

This is a serious matter and I am making it a formal warning. Keep doing either of those things and it will be a ban.

Originally posted by Deception
Lightsnake your logic about Sidious possessing every single technique is nothing short of insane and pure fanboyism. So your telling me, in 5000 years knowledge wont be lost? Your saying he mastered every single technique, yet i dont see him, instakilling DE Luke, nor any other Jedi.

Oh, so Sidious had the Ancient Sith's knowledge but not their weaponry nor their teachings great logic there, Sidious is never depicted having a Sith Amulet, nor is he even shown to have learnt more than a fraction of the Ancient Sith.

Logically, Sidious did not have the time nor power to master every last technique of the Dark Side, logically he could not have been at Malachor V, nor find a full storehouse of Ancient Sith lore within the looted tombs of Korriban. Logically he could never have learnt Sadow's powers, because it was destroyed along with Kun.

But i guess none of that matters, to you Sidious learnt every last technique and knew everything...wow way to go fanboy.

Lightsnake your trying to convince the majority of us to go along with your opinion and your beliefs, everyone is entitled to their opinions, adding on to that, if the Ancient Sith didn't impress you that much, DE Sidious does not impress us either, Escape81, provided sufficient information on Sidious's powers based on fact on a thread a while ago.

I'm waiting to see how long it takes you to go into hibernation again.

I don't care what you believe it is: It is written down in black and white in a canon source he did. And Sadow's 'powers' destroyed with Kun? Yavin 4 and the like survived, with the knowledge and dark side power.

I'm waiting how long it takes until someone actually realizes that their opinion on how much Sidious knew is null and void to the actual material...I'm also waiitng for direct evidence of the Ancients' godliness

Why isn't knowledge gained throughout time as well? Basically, a bunch was lost during the Hyperspace War. AFTER the Hyperspace Wars, were there really any major event of dark side loss until the Ruusan. And are we sure THAT many things were lost then?

Even after the Ruusan, Bane's order had 1000 years to regain lost knowledge and acheive new Dark Side knowledge. There's no doubt in my mind that Bane's Order gained quite a few nifty techniques in their 1000 years of practice. Which is a MIGHTY long time. Considering the Ancient Sith Empire only lasted 2000 years (Which makes very little sense, if any).

We're also considering Sidious was led to what he found by the dark Side itself and spent a lot of town at Korriban

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I don't care what you believe it is: It is written down in black and white in a canon source he did. And Sadow's 'powers' destroyed with Kun? Yavin 4 and the like survived, with the knowledge and dark side power.

I'm waiting how long it takes until someone actually realizes that their opinion on how much Sidious knew is null and void to the actual material...I'm also waiitng for direct evidence of the Ancients' godliness

So I'm waiting for direct evidence that Sidious could apply any of this "omniscience."

Sidious being the "strongest sith lord in history" isn't conclusive, yet every bit of hyperbolic line in Sidious' favor is, even when it's completely illogical.

[lightsnake logic]Ok, so Sidious "knew" all these attacks, and he just couldn't apply them. Fine by me.[/lightsnake logic]