Originally posted by jollyjim311
In the commentary it says that while Sidious is talking to Anakin he is faking about being so weak.I beleive he could have held off Mace longer.
It says he was faking being weak. It doesn't mean Sidious > Mace. I know people like to assume that Sidious is teh meister of manipulation, but I find it hard to believe he orchestrated that entire battle and apparently Mace Windu, jedi master and prodigy, wasn't responsible for his own success.
Originally posted by Antediluvian
Mace overpowered Sidious and defeated him in that Lightsaber fight. Sidious wasn't faking. Lucas said it and so did the databank.And when Sidious blasted Mace with a torrent of Lightning, he failed to destroy Sidious.
Sidious wasn't faking bursting Mace with Lightning. Mace just effectively blocked it. It says that in the Databank as well.
Sidious was overpowered, outmaneuvered and when Mace redirected Sidious' Lightning back at him, Sidious started making phony pleas.
Originally posted by Council#13
Thank you Sorgo! Lucas's word is law in the Star Wars Universe, and even the most logical answers are worth squat if Lucas says so
Exactly, Lucas's word is the law of Star Wars. Whatever he says is absolutely canon. Lucas says Mace overpowered Sidious. He also says that Sidious was faking the "I'm to weak" part. Meaning he was faking, not the duel, which he got overpowered in, but the Force part.
ahhh mace vs sidious. sidious knew he couldnt kill mace, he needed him alive to help turn anakin. that said i dont think he let mace win pure and simple. he knew he couldnt outright kill mace, but mace was too good for him to simply hold off until the moment of his choosing. had he been out to kill mace he would have, but unless hes playing it very serious mace is too good. sidious would defeat mace, but he couldnt toy with him before hand.
that said its common knowlege yoda is better than mace in pretty much all areas. but, as with sidious hed have to take mace on straight and serious, no skrewing around or hed get a foot to the face just like sidious.
Or just read the www.starwars.com Databank quote I posted on the first page. A lot cheaper than buying the DVD
i dont think sidious threw the fight. i think he tried to hold mace off and keep him alive, but mace was too much for him. if sidious had been out to kill straight up he could have, with a fair amount of trouble, but trying anything other than that he will lose, which he did. he didnt plan the kick to the face, or losing his saber. he needed mace alive and wasnt fighting 100%, he was fighting say 90%, fighting hard, but not all out, and he was dropped, unexpectedly.
he needed mace to force a snap decision on anakin. he knew anakin wasnt dark enough to turn gradually. he probed him at the opera for his weakness (padme), tested it out on him probably knowing it would fail, but hed force anakin to choose to either be a part of the fight and save him, or stick with the jedi and let pame die. and if hed killed mace straight up anakin would have seen sidious for what he was, and helped the jedi. he needed anakins emotions as hot as they could be, he needed a rushed decision, a snap choice before he had time to weigh up the options and consiquences. he needed a life and death choice between the jedi and padme. although i do conceed its possible he tried to kill mace and it was the will of the force. i doubt it thought.
sidious and yoda as supposedly the only level 9 duelers in the galaxy, leaving mace at 8, and there is a very big gap between 8 and 9 if you ask nick gillard, who choriographs the fights to get across the story lucas wants. there is just too much supporting sidious needing mace alive for me to think he was trying to kill him. trying to hold him off, yes. trying to kill him, no.
as soon as sidious was disarmed anakin walked in, had he not sidious probably would have tried throwing mace around rather than the lightning. sidious didnt even look at anakin when he entered, i think he felt him rather than saw him, and straight away started his routine about the jedi being evil. its all just speculative, i doubt you will come up with an air tight case to convince me, and i doubt ill come up with an airtight case to convince you. but i agree that sidious was overpowered by mace and lost unexpectadly. i dont think he was out to kill though.
when nick gillard was choriographing the fights he had each jedi/sith ranked in saber skill, 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest. 9 being almost impossible to achieve and 10 having been achieved only a few times in the jedi and sith history. obi wan and others were at a level 8, and he said that the only characters to achieve a level 9 were yoda, sidious, and anakin after he turned to the dark side, but before suffering injuries from obi wan.
here is a quote, it doesnt mention sidious or yoda though.
To design and choreograph the sequence -- as well as the myriad other action-packed scenes in Revenge of the Sith -- Gillard says he first discussed with writer-director George Lucas the fighting prowess of each of the characters, which were ranked against other Jedi on a scale of 1 to 10.
"Obi-Wan is at a level 8, which is where Anakin starts. But Anakin jumps to level 9 -- and the difference between 8 and 9 is enormous. A Jedi can get to level 9, but that's the difference between light and dark. The duel actually gives you quite an idea about these characters, because Anakin has learned the fighting, he's enormously talented -- but he hasn't learned the mental side of it.
"Knowing all of that from a story standpoint was enormously helpful in choreographing the sequence," Gillard says.
ill keep looking for the sidious/yoda one, but dont hold your breath