Yoda versus Mace Windu

*exhales loudly* now you tell me

What about Tiin, Kolar, and Fisto? What rank were they?

no idea. but here is the one about sidious and yoda.

For the curious, Gillard does not reveal any Jedi who has achieved level ten. The highest is nine, occupied by a small number of capable sword masters, including Yoda and Darth Sidious. At so high a ranking, it comes down to individual fighting styles as well as the circumstances of the surroundings that make a difference.

Ah, but in the Star Wars novelization, Mace Windu (although according to Gillard) knew Vaapad. In Vaapad, he could sink into a sort of trance while fighting, basically untouchable. But Yoda lost to Sidious in the Senate Chamber due to the fact that Sidious gained the high ground in a Force Battle.

I dont know what that has to do with anything, but..

Actually they stalemated with sidious getting the higher ground

Sidious may have not killed Yoda but he still defeated him. It was not a stalemate.

explain how he defeated him, especially since you want to contradict GL's commentary.

Well Yoda ended up bruised on the ground, without his lightsaber and helpless. He then fleed. I would count that as a defeat.

Bruised? If you're going to argue semantics I'll just argue that Sidious had the "Oh shit I'm screwed" face right before they both fell, that Yoda is a lightweight, and that he didn't return because stormtroopers were everywhere.. Oh yea and he lived to train the last of the Jedi, so he wins.

How he lost doesn't matter. He was still defeated.

Again, unless you want to contradict GL's own words, it was a stalemate.

It may have been a stalemate just prior to when Yoda was blasted off of the pod, however anyone who knows the definition of stalemate would know that it wasn't a stalemate at the end of the fight.

Yoda ended up losing though, according to the novelization, he was able to match Sids, but knew he couldn't defeat him if the fight continued

He couldn't defeat him in that current situation of course not, there were stormtroopers all over the place, and Yoda doesn't have a 500 inch vertical to get back on the pods. The fact remains that the novelization s less canon than the movie itself and in the movie it was a complete stalemate with Sidious always having the higher ground.

No, Yoda realizes he couldn't win if the fight continued, period.

THanks for your opinion lightsnake, I'll make sure to tell GL that you're in charge of his storyline.

It's Stover's opinion actually and considering GL put him in charge of some of it...

Ok and GL said it was a stalemate.. And in the star wars reality, GL>All. Not to mention it was a stalemate with Sidious always having the higher ground.

Can you directly quote him so we can see the context in which it was used in?

Of course it was. And if it went on, that's another story

The whole fight ended in a stalemate, period. I'm not arguing canon with you lightsnake, if you don't believe reality, this is your loss.