Yoda versus Mace Windu

You keep telling me the fight wasn't a stalemate. However, the fight was a stalemate and it is conclusive. Ergo, your argument=pwned.

OMG dude, at the end of the fight Yoda ended up disarmed and lying hurt on the ground, while Sidious was completely fine and laughing at him. You truly are an idiot.

The hell? Yoda was more powerful, but he lost. He... was blasted in the wrong direction. He lost due to Palpatine's manipulation of the environment and circumstance. Doesn't change the fact that he lost.

Yeah, except that Sidious didn't kill Yoda, which was his goal. Yoda didn't kill Sidious, which was his goal. That would be a stalemate. The fight wasn't concluded.

I was under the impression that Palpatine's goal was to stay alive.

He does try to flee when he could have fought Yoda in his chambers.

Originally posted by Razielim
I was under the impression that Palpatine's goal was to stay alive.

He does try to flee when he could have fought Yoda in his chambers.

Sidious specifically said he was going to end the order, including Yoda. He then failed to do that. While Yoda couldn't really get back to kill Sidious after the fight, Sidious never stomped out the jedi either. Goalwise, they both lost their asses. Fight wise, Sidious was a benefactor of luck and circumstance, as he lost the force battle and Yoda apparently owned him in a saber match. In a level playing field, Sidious would be raped six ways from Sunday.

Since when did their goals come into this. Sidious may have not achieved his goal of killing Yoda, but that doesn't change the fact that he won the fight.

They should have an infintes were Yoda goes Dark.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Since when did their goals come into this. Sidious may have not achieved his goal of killing Yoda, but that doesn't change the fact that he won the fight.

If winning the fight means surviving and having the high ground, then perhaps Sidious won. You could say the same thing about Obi-Wan.

However, when there's no high ground, Obi-Wan and Sidious would eventually succumb to their enemies.

Yoda won the saber fight? Is that in the novel or script or something because I have never heard that.

He would pwn all as a Dark Side user.

From Dark Rendezvous:

"So be angry about that!" Dooku said. "Hate! Rage! Despair! Allow yourself, just once, to stop playing at the game of Jedi Knight, and admit to what you have always known; you are alone, and you are great, and when world strikes you it is better to strike back than to turn your cheek. Feel, Yoda! I can feel the darkness rising in you. Here, in this place, be honest for once and feel the truth about yourself."

At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distance battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda's face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome power had been utterly unleashed by the power of the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The Universe had yet to compehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield."

Amen.. Blak Fox please stop calling people idiots when your posts are weak and ridiculous...

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Okay, Sorgo, but simply saying that Mace beat Sidious is like saying Anakin simply outclassed Dooku. It's not that simple. Sidious took out three other masters and at the end of the fight, he could of still held Mace off. Lucas said that Sidious was faking being weak.

Back on topic, yeah, Yoda wins.

Anakin did outclass Dooku.

That's just the way it is.

lol

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Anakin did outclass Dooku.

That's just the way it is.

I wouldn't confuse "outclass" with "one uped", Sorgo. Eowyn one uped the Witchking; she didn't outclass him. Notice the difference? Being clever and taking initiative, while admirable, isn't outclassing someone with far more experience, mastery, and ability.

The Witchkng was a ***** though.

Yeah, but he slaughted men like it was his friggin' job. It's not like Eowyn had a higher power level or something.

This is true, and his badass weapon gave me wood... I'd take that baby over a lightsaber any day.

Nah, at least with a lightsaber you can get into bank vaults and just stuff it in your back pocket.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Well Yoda struggled with Sidious in a saber battle and Mace pretty much dueled perfectly against Sidious. I personally think Yoda was overrated.

Sidious did try to run away, Yoda clearly held back in that duel. He could have just given in to the darkside and destroyed Sidious, GL often describes how powerful Yoda could be, if he gave in to many of the temptations that haunted him, he could if he wanted, have become the Chancellor, but Yoda feared the power he could have, this was what put him futher down the ladder than Sidious. NOT being weaker but rather the fear of being stronger.