Freedon Nadd & Darth Malak vs. Yoda & NJO Luke

You missed Palpatine on that list...Ajunta Pall too, who was a human. And yes, Vodo, that's great...that's not the same as defeating Vodo in a straight up battle...Nadd was also killed by an uprising of natives, apparently...and once again, canon calls Yoda the strongest enemy the darkness has ever known. Yoda butchers Nadd

Why don't we bring up people we KNOW about Lightsnake. We know nothing of Pall except that he was an ancient sith which would put him up on the list, but besides that fact we know nothing, so I would put him in the unknown category with Tulak Hord. I'm glad that's what "canon" calls that, except the SW has nothing to do with EU, and since GL has never stated that EU contradicts SW, then everybody goes by everything combined, in which Yoda is no match for an ancient dark Jedi/Sith Lord. And show me where another spirit did damage to a powerful force user.

What exactly did Nadd do to Vodo? SWcomics is not working at the moment.

Kun. Palpatine. Pall was capable of fighting and killing intruders in his tomb...

Palpatine did what as a spirit? Thanks for brining up Kun and proving my point. Only really powerful beings such as Kun and Nadd could inflict damage on the living as spirits. I wouldn't consider Pall's abilities in KOTOR really canon

Palp sucked a world dry to feed his spirit on Byss. And slammed Luke around a room...and healed Jeng Droga.

And you fail to 'get it': Nadd was on Korriban, center of dark side power of the galaxy

Ah the excuses. "OH well Nadd was blah blah blah". Yes, I really believe BECAUSE he was on Korriban he was able to push a powerful living force user. Where was Kun, oh wait on Yavin IV? You have no point, and DE Sidious was destroyed by a weak DE Luke, enough said.

he didn't PUSH him, he lashed out with the dark side.

And DE calls Luke 'incredibly powerful' in the narraration. Ok then...and destroyed by Luke? Umm...no, he isn't. And Yavin 4 was a massive site of force energy and the dark side according to the trilogy

What's your point here? DE Luke can call whoever he want powerful, what are you trying to prove? Nadd is above Sidious, above Yoda, and above all of the regular Star Wars character. I would put him on par or maybe a little below Kun, if even that.

Well, that's because you don't know much about SW...DE calls Luke powerful, end of story.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Well, that's because you don't know much about SW...DE calls Luke powerful, end of story.

I don't know much about SW? LOL... Lightsnake, I'd say you know the very least on this forum when it pertains to anything but the movies.. That's why you bring up useless posts like "DE calls Luke powerful". You can verbally fellate Sidious and the DE series later, Sidious isn't even in this thread.

You brought him up....and refuting your idiot assertion that DE Luke was weak is useless?

Ok, let's measure this:
DE Sidious's spirit drains a world on life....Nadd's turn. Pushes a force user. Ok, Sidious does that too...on Luke, described as 'incredibly powerful' by the narraration itself.

Yoda is described as, survery says: "The strongest foe the darkness had ever known."

And again, EU is created to go around SW. And let me see where it says it was Sidious' spirit that drained the whole life, not DE Sidious himself. Either way, Nadd was quite powerful, as he was solely responsible for bringing back the DLOTS in Kun. Oh yea, Sidious never did anything to a force user as a spirit, so draining the lives of the whole planet is very impressive, but not too impressive.

As a spirit, Sidious healed Jeng Droga and Luke Skywalker...and chucked Luke around a room....and draining a planet of all life isn't 'too impressive', but force pushing a jedi master is? Riiiiight...
And...last time I checked, DE Sidious and Sidious's spirit in DE are kinda the same person...

DE Sidious and hs spirit are the same? OH yea, except for the fact that one is alive and one is... Well, a spirit.

Nadd could likely waste Yoda in a force fight, and given he's in his human form, he'd be MORE powerful than he would be as a spirit. (Note that Nadd himself confirms that he's weaker as a spirit. Hence why he wanted a new body.) Malak might be little more than fodder, but Nadd would probably own Luke.

Not NJO Luke I don't think. NJO/DN is a formidable opponent for the most powerful sith..

Janus, that's some strange reasoning...Nadd got killed in an Onderonian uprising. How could he possibly take Yoda, described as up to ROTS the strongest foe the Darkness had ever had? And own Luke? By NJO? Seriously...

He could he take Yoda? He was pretty much an Ancient Sith Lord with Ancient Sith Knowledge. That alone puts him way beyond Yoda, not to mention his Sadow teachings and Sadow Amulet.

What part of "Strongest foe the Darkness had ever known." Is so hard for you to grasp?

And for the final time, Nadd's training was cut rather short