Davis was the highest rated TE....
Guess all those "experts" were USC homers. I would have laughed if they picked him over Davis. The only reason why he would be picked over davis is because he had the better combine. It can make or break players, but the proof is his play on the field, Davis was better.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Sam Baker was a top 5 OT and as many as were taken in the first, I'm surprised he didn't go earlier. So good pick up for Atlanta, they must have sensed he was about to get picked up, so they traded up to get him. Need someone to protect their new franchise QB.
Meh, not in my opinion.
Second rounder for sure but a reach at the point of the draft.
They could of easliy gotten him in the later rounds.
Is he worth that pick, I dont really care just saying he was a reach.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Davis was the highest rated TE....Guess all those "experts" were USC homers. I would have laughed if they picked him over Davis. The only reason why he would be picked over davis is because he had the better combine. It can make or break players, but the proof is his play on the field, Davis was better.
according to who? I havnt seen a recent draft board with Davis rated as the #1 TE. PS NY took Keller over Davis so laugh away.
Look I dont expect you to have a realistic view of any USC player we all know that isnt possible as you think Mike Williams is good. But dont make up stuff like all the experts have him as the #1 rated player when its just not true.
Originally posted by forumcrew
according to who? I havnt seen a recent draft board with Davis rated as the #1 TE. PS NY took Keller over Davis so laugh away.Look I dont expect you to have a realistic view of any USC player we all know that isnt possible as you think Mike Williams is good. But dont make up stuff like all the experts have him as the #1 rated player when its just not true.
No what I'm saying is he was the highest rated TE before the combine and Keller was behind that TE from Notre Dame. But because he had a better combine than Davis, he jumped up to #1. For some unknown reason, they decided to ignore what they did in the season, and go based on combine results. If you watched Keller you would know that he is not a complete tight end. He isn't a good blocker at all. Fred Davis on the other hand is a good blocker who gets open a lot and has great hands. But Keller hopped him because he ran a faster 40. And I am laughing, because it wasn't a smart pick at all. But scouts love the 40 times. Believe me, I've been following the tight ends more than any other position in the draft. Fred Davis is definitely the best and most complete tight end in the draft. He reminds me a lot of Antonio Gates.
Its a combination they are looking at more than just the combine, but they do put a lot of weight on the combine. We also have to remember the teams have in depth conversations with these guys and have had scouts watch them play so I give them some credit that they know more about it.
I think Davis is a very good TE prospect myself but didnt think he was #1. I really am not that interested in a guy who will be a great blocker I want athleticism and speed at TE in Seattle right now.
The WR group has been pretty interesting with Ducet, Sweed, Kelley, and Jackson all hanging around.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Theres also a ton of great college players that dont do anything also.More than great combine players.
Most of the time, it's the combine that sky rockets a player in the first round and not what they did in college. Just look at DJ for example, he was one of the most productive WR's in USC history, got taken in the 2nd round. But had he had a great combine, he would have been at least the 2nd WR taken. And this Chris Johnson dude from East Carolina, he should have been a 3rd round pick with how deep this years running back class is, but because he ran the fastest 40, he got taken in the first round. I don't see him being anything more than a good kick/punt returner.
That is why every year I go based on the rankings before the combine and what I see during the season. Too many players, some times unknown players, jump in the draft because of their display of athletic ability at the combine and not their play on the field. I honestly don't understand that. I'm not going to take player A because he ran a 4.3 40 over player B because he ran a 4.4 40 even though Player B is the better overall player. It's little things like that that scouts pay attention too and draft on, and it's the reason why Keller was ranked ahead of Davis even though he was ranked 3 before the combine. More often than not, future stars are passed up because of that.
You said that you take stock not in the combine, but their production in college.
I said one of the most productive recievers in USC had a shitty combine and has played like shit in the NFL. Doesnt matter if he is lazy or what, he still plays like shit.
And if Im not forgetting, you said that he should be taken in the first round. Right?
I said he should have been the first receiver taken in last years class. And none of the receivers in that class have done anything to prove me wrong. And he hasn't played like shit in the NFL, he simply has not played. lol. He a lazy mofo, didn't realize that about him.
But my point was more about what the other player does at the combine versus what they did in college. If they didn't produce in college, have a great combine, all of a sudden they're in the 1st round.