Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Steve Smith didn't request for a trade, but Panthers have shown interest in trading him. Does anybody do any kind of research here?
I visit sites daily that talk about any NFL rumors/trades, etc and I haven't seen one sighting of the Panthers supposedly shopping Smith.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Wayne also is a bigger target, better deep threat, and a stronger runner. Yes. Smith is a shiftier runner and is faster, [b]but he does get eaten by big corners.Yes, they did run the ball. They were 13th. That means they ran the ball Evo.
What are you on about? Ware had nothing to do with them losing. He had 10 tackles and a sack. Not to mention Smith wouldn't have changed the offensive situation since nothing was working, including what Smith would need, a dominant TO and Witten. [/B]
Wayne is a bigger target, yes, but by NFL standards, they both are small receivers. And size, especially when the difference is 5'9 and 5'11, doesn't make a bit of difference to me. I don't get the stronger runner part, Smith breaks way more tackles though. The bold is just a blatant lie. Bottom line, he is the clear cut better player. He does everything better than Wayne.
They didn't run the ball much, I don't feel like looking at the numbers right now, but I do know they were among the leaders in pass attempts, probably first. Most of their rush attempts came late in the 4th quarter. Their offense was anything but balanced.
He had 10 tackles and a sack, and they still gave up 48 points and lost by 21. New England doesn't have a good secondary, Smith and Owens would have tore them up, leaving the Pats offense off the field more(Pats were on the field 17 mins longer than the Cowboys) and scoring more points(27-48). But why is this even being argued? Once again I will say this, they do not have to give up Ware to get Smith. They can still trade for Smith and re-sign Ware, so they would have both. How does a Cowboy fan even protest this? This would be a great pickup.
Originally posted by Röland
Any proof of this? Or are you just pulling this out of nowhere ever since Ken Lucas got his nose broke?I visit sites daily that talk about any NFL rumors/trades, etc and I haven't seen one sighting of the Panthers supposedly shopping Smith.
Pick.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Wayne is a bigger target, yes, but by NFL standards, they both are small receivers. And size, especially when the difference is 5'9 and 5'11, doesn't make a bit of difference to me. I don't get the stronger runner part, Smith breaks way more tackles though. The bold is just a blatant lie. Bottom line, he is the clear cut better player. He does everything better than Wayne.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
They didn't run the ball much, I don't feel like looking at the numbers right now, but I do know they were among the leaders in pass attempts, probably first. Most of their rush attempts came late in the 4th quarter. Their offense was anything but balanced.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
He had 10 tackles and a sack, and they still gave up 48 points and lost by 21. New England doesn't have a good secondary, Smith and Owens would have tore them up, leaving the Pats offense off the field more(Pats were on the field 17 mins longer than the Cowboys) and scoring more points(27-48).
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
But why is this even being argued? Once again I will say this, they do not have to give up Ware to get Smith. They can still trade for Smith and re-sign Ware, so they would have both. How does a Cowboy fan even protest this? This would be a great pickup.
Though of course, secretly, I'm hoping this happens so San Fransisco can sign him, trade for Beason, and have the three best young linebackers in the league.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Smith for Beason?You could probably do better than that.
Or do you mean sign Ware so you have Willis, Ware, and then trade for Beason?
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Wayne can run through defenders, not just around. like Smith. I don't know what you bolded because the whole paragraph is bolded.They ran the ball adequate amount of times, or else they wouldn't have got 1,800 and 13th in yards. Their offense could be balanced if needed, as shown in the playoffs when Maroney was more widely utilized to counter the pass protection heavy defense.
Considering TO was completely cold, along with every other receiver, New England's secondary can handle them. If you had watched the game, you'd see it was the pass rush that eventually sent the Cowboys down the drain. Unless Smith converted to a guard, he wouldn't have changed that.
First, not a Cowboy fan, and second, it'll screw the future of the organization. They'll be banking completely on this year to win. Ware will leave if they take Smith because Cowboys could not afford to give Ware the top contract he would warrant. Not to mention egos will clash unless Smith or TO completely backed down, but you and both know neither would.
Though of course, secretly, I'm hoping this happens so San Fransisco can sign him, trade for Beason, and have the three best young linebackers in the league.
Wayne doesn't run through anything. I don't who you have been watching. And Smith is definitely the stronger runner.
Watch this, it's at :58 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80273678
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The part I was referring to was when you said Smith gets eaten up by big corners, which simply isn't true.
Yes they obviously ran the ball a good amount of times, but most of it was late in 4th quarters, they blew out most of the teams they played. Their offense wasn't at all balanced though.
At the time the Cowboys played New England, nobody knew their weakness. People figured they were unbeatable. It wasn't until the Eagles exposed them in week 12, that people knew their weakness was their secondary. So yes, if the AJ Feeley and the Eagles could rack up 345 passing yards on the Pats, then so could Romo and a Owens/Smith combo. I think the Cowboys would have done so much better if they knew in week 6 that their achilles heel was their secondary, as well as throwing over the middle.
All right this must be a joke. For the 3rd time. If the Cowboys were to trade for Smith, they would still be able to re-sign Ware. They would not be sacrificing anything, and if they were, it would not be for only one 'win now' season, a Smith-Owens-Whitten-Romo combo would make them great for many years to come.
yea you did leave smith's bonus money out of the equation.
I really dont think anyone is arguing that Smith wouldnt be a good player for the cowboys, but it doesnt really make a lot of sense and also there is no evidence of it going to happen. I find it funny your "proof" was a link to google search results for searching steve smith trade... wow man great evidence. Not to mention if you go ahead and click on the first link it is an article talking about how right now it is just random rumours and also how there is no chance it is happening... guess thats proof to you that the teams are in talks?
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Wayne doesn't run through anything. I don't who you have been watching. And Smith is definitely the stronger runner.Watch this, it's at :58 http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80273678
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Originally posted by Lord Evolution
The part I was referring to was when you said Smith gets eaten up by big corners, which simply isn't true.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Yes they obviously ran the ball a good amount of times, but most of it was late in 4th quarters, they blew out most of the teams they played. Their offense wasn't at all balanced though.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
At the time the Cowboys played New England, nobody knew their weakness. People figured they were unbeatable. It wasn't until the Eagles exposed them in week 12, that people knew their weakness was their secondary. So yes, if the AJ Feeley and the Eagles could rack up 345 passing yards on the Pats, then so could Romo and a Owens/Smith combo. I think the Cowboys would have done so much better if they knew in week 6 that their achilles heel was their secondary, as well as throwing over the middle.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
All right this must be a joke. For the 3rd time. If the Cowboys were to trade for Smith, they would [b]still be able to re-sign Ware. They would not be sacrificing anything, and if they were, it would not be for only one 'win now' season, a Smith-Owens-Whitten-Romo combo would make them great for many years to come. [/B]
All right, playoff prediction time. I think it goes without saying that picking all 12 teams that made the playoffs last year warrants a permanent ban from this forum. (even though 5 of my AFC teams made it last year, I think most of them are on everyone's list). I apoligize for this list not being that in-depth, so deal with it.
AFC
New England
Indianapolis
San Diego
Pittsburgh
Jacksonville
NY Jets - I would have picked them even before "As the Favre Turns" unfolded. Their OL is incredibly stout with Woody, Faneca, and Ferguson. Hell, Thomas Jones may even score this year. Revis, Jenkins, & Ellis should have stellar years.
Left out:
Cleveland - Cleveland is Cleveland. Schedule is tough, their D is even more swiss cheesier than last year, and this franchise is infamous for "Brown-ing" their way to losses that the fans would say they "should have won" (see losses vs. Pittsburgh & Arizona last year). If they're not careful (a.k.a. play the way they normally play), they could start out 0-2 versus Dallas & Pittsburgh.
NFC
Dallas
Arizona (*Note: Unlike all the experts that have been picking them to be great for 9 years running, this is the first year EVER I'm picking them)
Minnesota
Seattle
Philadelphia
New Orleans
Left out: Green Bay, Carolina, NY Giants, Washington, Tampa
I know my NFC list is controversial, but the NFC playoff picture is a grab bag every year.
Skipping all the playoff stuff, I'll go with Super Bowl XLIII with San Diego over New Orleans. Why the hell not.
Bold not putting Seattle in there in the NFC. They have been in the playoffs 5 years in a row (second longest active streak in the NFL) And have won the division for 4 years in a row.
AFC:
Patriots
Bengals
Colts
Jaguars
Chargers
Jets
AFC East I have no clue so figured id go with the worst one from last year.. why not. All the Favre hype has people crazy about the Jets but lets not forget they won 10 games 2 years ago and they have added a lot of new parts since then. Also their schedule is easy.
NFC:
Seahawks
Cowboys
Vikings
Panthers
Saints
Redskins
Skins pick is pretty much a random selection of someone from the NFC East, who really knows with that division. But I would like to see Zorn do well.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Yeah, I was thinking about it, but I dont know. I think they're time is due for a lackluster season.Maybe the Cardinals can do something, but Seattle has been a pretty easy division for the past couple of years.
And I'm not really thrilled with Julius Jones and TJ Duckett as your RB's.
Morris will carry the ball more than Duckett. Duckett is there for short yardage packages, although I would like to see Weaver as the short yardage runner with Schmitt blowing people up in front of him. The run game really is improved from last year. I will take healthy julius over whatever the hell you want to call Shaun from last year. Also the oline is better. Mike Whale is a very good LG coming over from Carolina and allows Sims to move over to RG where he will be more effective. As long as Spencer can be healthy at C I actually feel good about our Oline again, although depth is still a large issue there.
WR however does scare me. Branch is out basically the season, Engram wont get no the field at least until week 5 after the bye. So this leaves Burelson to step up as the #1 and a couple second year guys out of Auburn who need to emerge quickly.