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Originally posted by Smasandian
If I remember correctly, last year the Chargers were the preseason favourites, and they didnt make it.

Look at the Cardinals, they're always predicted to make the playoffs. Always fail.

The Colts, every year they're generally predicted to make the SB. Rarely do it.

In the end, usually the team that wins is never the one that is predicted. Its always a team that gets hot near the end of the regular season. Look at the Patriots last year, predicted to easily win the SB, but lost.

None of these teams had a top 3 QB throwing to 2 of the top 3 receivers in the league. But it looks like the Panthers aren't going to pull the trigger, but if they are, Jerry Jones better make good on the "wow" factor he promised would happen this off-season.

Unless adding Pacman was it.

Ummm, what do you call the Colts?

I'm not saying there isnt a possibility that the Cowboys will make it, but any preseason favourite (including teams that are predicted to get over the hump) rarely work out.

Last year, the predictions usually were the Chargers, the Patriots and the Cowboys as clear cut favourites to make it to the Superbowl. The Patriots made it but lost when they were a favourites to win it outright, with a 17+ point spread.

I dont understand how you can possibly think that the Cowboys will get Smith, or Chad Johnson. They will severely **** themselves over if they do because they cant afford it. Sure, lets get Steve Smith, but bye bye to DeMarcus Ware.

Originally posted by Smasandian
I dont understand how you can possibly think that the Cowboys will get Smith, or Chad Johnson. They will severely **** themselves over if they do because they cant afford it. Sure, lets get Steve Smith, but bye bye to DeMarcus Ware.

I don't know.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Ummm, what do you call the Colts?

I'm not saying there isnt a possibility that the Cowboys will make it, but any preseason favourite (including teams that are predicted to get over the hump) rarely work out.

Last year, the predictions usually were the Chargers, the Patriots and the Cowboys as clear cut favourites to make it to the Superbowl. The Patriots made it but lost when they were a favourites to win it outright, with a 17+ point spread.

I dont understand how you can possibly think that the Cowboys will get Smith, or Chad Johnson. They will severely **** themselves over if they do because they cant afford it. Sure, lets get Steve Smith, but bye bye to DeMarcus Ware.

You think Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne are both top 3 receivers? And didn't the Colts win the Super Bowl?

Would that combo be better than Owens and Smith? Not even close.

Because there have already been talks about Cowboys getting Smith. Someone from the Cowboys front office calling someone from the Panthers front office. This is not something I just made up, do a little research. If the Panthers trade Smith, which they have already shown interest in doing, the Cowboys are one of the front runners.

Trading for Smith does not mean losing DeMarcus Ware. And if it did, who cares? This is Steve Smith were talking about.

Originally posted by Röland
I don't understand how he can think that the Bengals or Panthers would give either of them up in the first place.

Chad Johnson requested for a trade. He obviously does not have a good relationship with the front office or his QB. Don't know about the rest of the team. Steve Smith didn't request for a trade, but Panthers have shown interest in trading him. Does anybody do any kind of research here?

you keep saying do some research yet you havnt provided anyone with proof. They dont have to do research you do. If your trying to say there are trade talks going on, it is up to you to proove it, not up to them to disprove it.

Yes Chad wanted to be traded, no he wont be to the cowboys. They turned down what could have been 2, 1st round picks (based on performance) that means they arnt trading him.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution

Trading for Smith does not mean losing DeMarcus Ware. And if it did, who cares? This is Steve Smith were talking about.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
You think Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne are both top 3 receivers? And didn't the Colts win the Super Bowl?

Would that combo be better than Owens and Smith? Not even close.

Because there have already been talks about Cowboys getting Smith. Someone from the Cowboys front office calling someone from the Panthers front office. This is not something I just made up, do a little research. If the Panthers trade Smith, which they have already shown interest in doing, the Cowboys are one of the front runners.

Trading for Smith does not mean losing DeMarcus Ware. And if it did, who cares? This is Steve Smith were talking about.

Have you been watching any of the Superbowls?

How do you they win them?

The always win it with offense. Especially when they have no defense, or a stud like Ware. Never.

But they always win when you have to ego driven star WR's on your team.

And yes, Harrison, and Wayne before they won the SB were better than Owens and Smith, if not, then atleast in top 3. They didnt break all those records, did they?

Also, I dont know if you know anything about a salary cap, but if I remember basic math, the Cowboys have about maybe, 3-4 million dollars left and thats pushing it. Even if they get Smith, who still has a couple of years there is no way of paying for a Ware contract extension because he wont be a premium player.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Have you been watching any of the Superbowls?

How do you they win them?

The always win it with offense. Especially when they have no defense, or a stud like Ware. Never.

But they always win when you have to ego driven star WR's on your team.

And yes, Harrison, and Wayne before they won the SB were better than Owens and Smith, if not, then atleast in top 3. They didnt break all those records, did they?

Also, I dont know if you know anything about a salary cap, but if I remember basic math, the Cowboys have about maybe, 3-4 million dollars left and thats pushing it. Even if they get Smith, who still has a couple of years there is no way of paying for a Ware contract extension because he wont be a premium player.

Most of this post makes no sense. But I'll respond to what I understood.

Reggie Wayne has never been a top 3 receiver, never. Let alone better than Owens or Smith. Marvin Harrison has arguably been the best in the game over the past years, but the difference between him and Owens/Smith is that they have been putting up better/equal numbers with considerably worst Quarterbacks over the course of their careers.

Here is Smith's contract details:

08- 1.75 million
09 - 3.4 million
10 - 5.75
11 - 7 million(expected to be no salary cap this season, so any contract could be restructured to where it's loaded this season)
12 - 7.75 million(could also be an uncapped season)

If they trade for Smith, contracts could be restructured so the majority is coming in the uncapped season(s). A lot of teams are expected to do this. Which means, not losing DeMarcus Ware, although I think he's expendable if it means getting Steve Smith.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Losing Ware will screw Dallas's defense. Smith is a luxury while Ware is a necessity. It's no contest what Dallas would do if it had a sane GM.

Dallas has a lot of talent on defense, losing him wouldn't screw up anything. The positives of receiving Smith and losing Ware, far outweight the negaitives, even though you wouldn't actually lose Ware unless you didn't want to re-sign him. DeMarcus Ware is not a game changer. Smith is a game changer, how would opposing defenses even play Dallas? Hell yeah it's no contest. On one hand, you have a top 3 receiver in the game, arguably the best, and one of the most toughest and fastest, which means you would have 2 of the top 3 receivers, receiving passes from a top 3 QB. There is no point in even mentioning what is in the other hand, as most would probably already chosen the first.

Not too mention that Owens and Smith would probably feud in the third game.

DeMarcus Ware not a game changer. Yep, sure isn't. I dont know how many times he sacked somebody, or tackled somebody behind the line when the team needed it.

Take away Ware, and you have vastly different defense. The only blitzer teams would have to worry about is Ellis, but he's getting up there in age.

Take away Smith, you still have Felix Jones, Marion Barber, Owens, Witten and the huge line to have.

Also, Reggie Wayne, top 3.

104 Catches, 1510 yards, 10 TD's, plus 14.5 ave

That would make him the third best in receptions, first in yards, 9th in TD's, and 20th in average. That is pretty damn good. 2006, tied for third in reciveing and 6th in TDs.

And havnt you forgotten about signing bonus? The Panther would have to eat up about 10 million, while Dallas would probably eat up a chunk of change with his signing bonus per year also. Again, not happening.

Top 3(in no particular order)

Owens
Moss
Smith/Johnson

Are you saying Reggie Wayne is better than any of these 3? He's arguably top 5, but he's not near the level of a Owens, Moss or Smith. While Wayne was eating up all those catches, Harrison was out with a knee injury, if Harrison was healthy, even though Wayne is not top 3, I say that team goes to the Super Bowl. And the year before, when they both were healthy, they won the Super Bowl.

The Cowboys with Owens/Smith and no Ware, beats the Giants in the playoffs. Would likely beat the Packers, and with the upgrades on defense this season, would likely have beaten the Pats. That offense would be unstoppable, and unlike the Pats, would actually have a run game and not throw all game long, which actually wouldn't be so bad, seeing as how it got them a record of 18-0 and a Super Bowl appearance. Which wouldn't be bad for the Cowboys at this point, don't ya think?

Pats run game is fine, they simply choose not to run the ball, doesnt mean they cant.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Top 3(in no particular order)

Owens
Moss
Smith/Johnson

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
The Cowboys with Owens/Smith and no Ware, beats the Giants in the playoffs. Would likely beat the Packers, and with the upgrades on defense this season, would likely have beaten the Pats. That offense would be unstoppable, and unlike the Pats, would actually have a run game and not throw all game long, which actually wouldn't be so bad, seeing as how it got them a record of 18-0 and a Super Bowl appearance. Which wouldn't be bad for the Cowboys at this point, don't ya think?

And Patriots had a running game. I have no idea where that idea came from. They were 13th in rushing yards.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Wayne outplayed Smith and Johnson last year, without acting like a drama queen afterwards.

Their defense will not have the pass rush needed to stop other defenses. Ware is Dallas's Lewis. He's the heart, leader, producer, and decoy that allows Dallas to generate a viable pass rush. He also creates most of Dallas's big plays.

And Patriots had a running game. I have no idea where that idea came from. They were 13th in rushing yards.

Wayne had Peyton Manning throwing him the ball all year. The Panthers were using their 3rd string QB. Just look at his stats before Delhomme was injured. Imagine what it would look like if he had Manning instead of Delhomme, Carr or Vinne.

Patriots simply didn't run the ball. They were capable, but they weren't even close to being balanced. I did not say their run blocking or running backs sucked, but they had no ground game.

Having Ware did not help them in their game early last season, but adding Smith would most likely put them over the top. They would be in the same boat as the Pats. And as I said, adding Smith does not mean losing Ware. It's a win-win no matter how you look at it.

Having Ware didnt help them? Are you ****ing joking me?

Okay dude.

They lost by 21 and gave up 48 points.

Gave up 48 points against the top scoring offense of all time, and lost by 21 when they played a hot team without starters....

And wouldnt it be worst giving up your best defensive player for offense player if the defense is bad?

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Wayne had Peyton Manning throwing him the ball all year. The Panthers were using their 3rd string QB. Just look at his stats before Delhomme was injured. Imagine what it would look like if he had Manning instead of Delhomme, Carr or Vinne.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Patriots simply didn't run the ball. They were capable, but they weren't even close to being balanced. I did not say their run blocking or running backs sucked, but they had no ground game.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Having Ware did not help them in their game early last season, but adding Smith would most likely put them over the top. They would be in the same boat as the Pats. And as I said, adding Smith does not mean losing Ware. It's a win-win no matter how you look at it.