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A trip is the same thing as throwing a hard object at somebody? No.

To me, a cheap ass play is intentional hurting somebody. Like Haynesworth stomping on Gurodes face. It's more of an extreme example but he meant to do it. Or Blount throwing a haymaker at Boise State player.

Your telling me Adams tripped him because he knew Tuck was going to land awkwardly on his shoulder. It was clear Tuck beat him and had a straight line to Romo. He tripped him because he got beat and he thought he could get away with it but in no right mind did he expect he was going to injure him.

It's against the rules, not because its a personal foul but because it's an easy way to stop somebody. We wouldn't even have this conversation if Tuck didn't get injured.

Is it a cheap shot if a player grabs the face mask and the guy hurts his neck? I never seen that.

Originally posted by Smasandian
To me, a cheap ass play is intentional hurting somebody.

Your telling me Adams tripped him because he knew Tuck was going to land awkwardly on his shoulder. It was clear Tuck beat him and had a straight line to Romo. He tripped him because he got beat and he thought he could get away with it but in no right mind did he expect he was going to injure him.

Is it a cheap shot if a player grabs the face mask and the guy hurts his neck? I never seen that.

Tripping isn't a cheap shot. I don't care if he got injured or not. It's not cheap. How many times does it happen in football? Alot?

Unfortunately Tuck got injured as the result of the penalty. That's my point.

From reading my original post, I did **** up but my point was there. Why is a trip considered cheap? I should of said, it's not cheap because he didn't intentionally hurt him, it was just a result of the play.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Tripping isn't a cheap shot. I don't care if he got injured or not. It's not cheap. How many times does it happen in football? Alot?

Unfortunately Tuck got injured as the result of the penalty. That's my point.

From reading my original post, I did **** up but my point was there. Why is a trip considered cheap? I should of said, it's not cheap because he didn't intentionally hurt him, it was just a result of the play.

Plus, incidentally, I wasn't the one who originally said the play was cheap, I was just iterating what the talk radio around where I live was saying.

I know, I find it funny that it's only Giants fans and media who are talking. All the sites I've gone to never mentioned it.

That was an extremely hard game to watch.

I would say the Colts would be my secondary team to watch, purely because they were fun to watch and played the 1 o clock game mostly and Dallas plays the 415 game usually.

But seriously, how does a defense give up that many yards, 3rd down conversions and time and still win the game?

This is what I saw. Run down the middle, pass to sidelines. Why was the Colts CB's play 5-10 yards off the WR's when its Pennington? Or why was the Colts D-line going offside on hard counts? Or what about during the last minute of the game, a Dolphins WR is untouched for a 15 yard sidelines pass from Pennington? You would think they would intercept that ball.....

One funny thing from Gruden. There's 6 seconds left, no timeouts and Dolphins need 30 yards for the TD to win and they cannot kick a field goal and what does Gruden say? "They definitely need to throw a hailmary........" Thanks captain obvious.

I rewatched the SD/BAL game last night. Now I'm definitely not one to suggest conspiracies, but if I were I'd like to know what the line was on that game. The last 3 SD plays were among the most pitiful I've ever seen.

First play (2nd down): pass caught by WR who makes a negative effort to try to pick up the first down, much less any additional positive yardage.
Second play (3rd down): Rivers throws ball straight into the dirt when the play could've been extended by a player with such mobility as Kent Graham. It was one of those, "yeah, I'm a proven veteran QB, I'm going to roll to my right and cooly throw the ball into the dirt, and the fact that I made zero effort to give my team a shot to win will be forgiven because I have kickass stats."
Third play (4th down): Seas parted, Ray Lewis up the middle, where he pads his Godlike legacy.

To all those Norv Turner haters, I seriously doubt he encourages pathetic effort on the part on his players during crunch time. Absolutely embarrassing.

I don't know, I think Miami had the worst drive than that one (granted I didn't see the complete drive of SD).

I've been thinking, I understand the Saints have a really good offense but isn't a tad bit like 2007. Havn't we seen that high powered offenses rarely win anything except being the best during regular season. They've also played the Eagles and the Lions, both teams aren't good for their own separate reasons (Eagles are injured)

Originally posted by Smasandian
I don't know, I think Miami had the worst drive than that one (granted I didn't see the complete drive of SD).

I've been thinking, I understand the Saints have a really good offense but isn't a tad bit like 2007. Havn't we seen that high powered offenses rarely win anything except being the best during regular season. They've also played the Eagles and the Lions, both teams aren't good for their own separate reasons (Eagles are injured)

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The Patriots(if that's who you were talking about) were one play away from winning it all.

While we're talking about failed last drives, I also watched the GB/CIN game last night. GB had the ball first and goal at the ten but not only ran out of time by 1 second, they had a false start penalty which, as the ref put it, "would have forced a run-off so either way, the game is over."

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
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The Patriots(if that's who you were talking about) were one play away from winning it all.

Yeah, but they didn't win. Just like how the Colts teams that dominated in offense never won until they won it with defense and the running game.

How about the Cardinals. A high powered offense that lost to a defensive minding team. I'm not saying it will never happen but history has proven that teams with a high powered offense rarely win the Superbowl.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Yeah, but they didn't win. Just like how the Colts teams that dominated in offense never won until they won it with defense and the running game.

How about the Cardinals. A high powered offense that lost to a defensive minding team. I'm not saying it will never happen but history has proven that teams with a high powered offense rarely win the Superbowl.

Man the Cardinals were one play away from winning it all too.

Looks like to me those high powered offenses are getting teams where they need to be. Saints have never been to a Super Bowl, I know they would love to win it, but getting there is an accomplishment in its own right. The Cards/Pats didn't lose those games because they had high powered offenses, the other team just happened to make the plays down the stretch and won the game in the final seconds.

I could say the same thing.

Defense first/run oriented teams are getting teams where they need to be.

My point is that run oriented/defense first teams usually win the Superbowl.

Looking at the past 10 years of Superbowl Champions from 1999.
Broncos
Rams
Ravens
Pats
Bucs
Pats
Pats
Steelers
Colts
Giants
Steelers

Out of those two teams, only two teams had the best offenses in the league and that's the Rams and Broncos (granted both teams had amazing RB's in Davis and Faulk)

The rest are defensive minded teams or run oriented teams during that year they played.

Again, I'm not saying it won't happen but history does show that high powered offenses (usually the pass first oriented ones) are the teams that don't win the Superbowl. There hasn't been a QB to win a Superbowl who also led the league in passing.

The Colts weren't run oriented either, but you still have a good point.

During the playoffs, they were and more importantly won by playing awesome defense.

They won the first two games by having the opponents score only 14 ponits. In the AFC Champ, they allowed a ton of points from the Pats (a year later became the best offensive team to ever play in the NFL) and they beat the Bears by running and defense.

When the Colts were the high powered offense, they lost in the playoffs all the time to a team that played defense and ran the ball (Pats).

Originally posted by Smasandian

Out of those two teams, only two teams had the best offenses in the league and that's the Rams and Broncos (granted both teams had amazing RB's in Davis and Faulk)

Yep the biggest difference in the greatest show on turf and the cardinals is probably Fualk vs the hightower/edge combo.

Probably.

great pass by favre..better catch by lewis

HOLY SH*T what an ending to the Vikings game! Watched it on the best channel ever NFL Red Zone and couldn't believe it. Greg Lewis amazing catch and Favre made the throw while getting hit by 2 people. Let's see Tavaris make that throw. Frank Gore was hurt, so IMO it shouldn't have been this close, but oh well a win is a win!

Jets 3-0 and another good performance by Sanchez with 3 TD's. 🤘