Originally posted by Myth
As for the offensive pass interference, did anybody else see the ref take his time to throw the flag? He didn't do it until the Steeler defending the receiver turned to him in protest.
Totally true.
If they call that pass interfence, then they should call every single touch pass interference.
Forumcrew, is that really the rule about the pylon? I am not doubting you, but I just dont know.
Me too.
Danzeke, I heared that too about Bush..I guess we'll just have to wait an see.
Myself, I would trade Carr for something, keep Davis (because he is pretty good and young), and pick up Lienart.
Or trade the pick away for somebody (theyre will be people who want Bush also, and pick up Young around the 10th and maybe get some O line help, or linebackers, or recievers. That teams is not that good.
Originally posted by forumcrew
they cost them 3 TD's darrel jackson hit the pylon with his outside foot while having full control of the ball, that is a TD in every NFL rulebook you look at. THey also cost them a 1st down with mack strong, 15 yards with hasselbecks tackle (which never should of happened if the bs holding penalty didnt happen) they also gave pitt a timeout when they called it WAY after the play clock ran out giving them 3rd and 6 instead of 3rd and 11 this is HUGE for those of you who dont follow footbal that closely.
No, that one really was not a touch down. He caught the ball and then only got one foot in bounds. If we was running the ball and hit the pylon, then it would be a touchdown.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Give the ref some credit. He needed decisive evidence to over rule the call on the field. Which was a td. Seeing Big Ben dive for the end zone in real speed and being able to say if it was or not, is much different then seeing it in slow motion over and over again like we (the audience) does.
Isn't that what they do when they review it?
Acutally im not even that upset by the TD as I am by the other Blown Calls.
Originally posted by Pezmerga
Isn't that what they do when they review it?
Acutally im not even that upset by the TD as I am by the other Blown Calls.
No. When a ref reviews the play it is in full speed. Slow motion is not allowed.
The angles however I dont know. I think its from all angles, but I might be wrong on that.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
No. When a ref reviews the play it is in full speed. Slow motion is not allowed.
I don't know which is funnier - the misinformation itself or the confidence in which it is presented!
Here's the technology behind Instant Replay for Coach's Challenges
From the article:
Leitch
Leitch developed the instant replay system that has been installed in every NFL stadium since 1999. Used for Coach’s Challenge, the VR FORCE video server system uses a Leitch FORCE-1000 controller built by BUF.One of Leitch’s other slo-mo products, Whiplash2, puts broadcast-quality slow motion within the reach of local broadcasters, cable companies, colleges, universities, and other small organizations.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
The angles however I dont know. I think its from all angles, but I might be wrong on that.
Originally posted by botankus
I don't know which is funnier - the misinformation itself or the confidence in which it is presented!Here's the technology behind Instant Replay for Coach's Challenges
From the article:
Old Rules:
A replay official in the television booth or press box would signal to the referee to stop play for a review.
Only the replay official could decide which plays should be reviewed.
Only the replay official determined whether to overturn a call or let it stand.
There was no time limit on examination of a replay. Replay officials were not part of a game's officiating crew.
New Rules:
For the first 28 minutes of each half, coaches must challenge an official's call to have it reviewed.
Coaches are allowed two challenges per game. If a call is not overturned, the challenging team loses a timeout.
No challenges will be recognized if a team has exhausted its timeouts.
In the final two minutes of each half and in overtime, only the NFL replay assistant in the television booth or press box can call for a video review. There is no limit to the number of replay reviews the replay assistant can request.
A review called for by the replay assistant is not tied to timeouts for either team.
The referee will make all determinations, regardless of time of game, after reviewing videos on a sideline monitor.
A time limit of 90 seconds has been placed on all video reviews.
Replay assistants will be part of a game's officiating crew.
"Our goal is to take advantage of advanced technology to create the most efficient replay system possible," said NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue. "We believe we have developed that type of system. It uses advanced technology, but it is simple to operate. We did not want to bring back replay with the same system as 10 years ago. There will be a noticeable positive difference in the overall replay operation."
The system begins with the replay booth receiving a "live" feed from the network television control truck covering the game.
The technician in front of the live-feed monitor cues up the live play by pressing the "make play" button on his console as the ball is snapped. That automatically puts the play on a "touch-screen monitor" positioned in front of the replay assistant. When a replay comes up from the truck, the technician presses a "make replay" button and that automatically pops up on the touch-screen monitor. The monitor can accommodate six replay angles of a single play.
The replay assistant is positioned in front of the touch-screen monitor. This person decides which replays will be relayed to the field monitor for review by the referee after a coach's challenge is issued, and whether an official's time-out will be called for a play review in the final two minutes of each half and overtime.
The video operator at the instruction of the replay assistant, will tap the touch-screen monitor (similar to a bank's automatic teller machine that prompts commands by the tapping of its screen) to transfer one of the replays to the booth's third monitor that is positioned between him and the replay assistant. The video operator can control the speed of the playback on this monitor by the turn of a dial. This is the monitor on which the replay assistant will view all replays. The video on this monitor is what the referee on the field will see.
The communicator is the replay booth's eyes to the field. While the technician, replay assistant and video operator are doing their jobs, the communicator, stationed in back of the other three, is watching the field. He will advise the replay assistant who is busy viewing the monitor that "they're in the huddle," "they're on the line" and "the ball is snapped" so the replay assistant will know that the next play has started, negating the possibility of a replay. He will also report to the replay assistant if an official ruling (e.g. holding, illegal procedure, etc.) has been made on the field following a play that might eliminate the need for a replay.
The communicator also is the timer of the 90 seconds allocated to the referee to make a decision on a replay. Once 90 seconds are reached, the communicator will hit a red button on the console in front of the replay assistant that will automatically shut off the field-level monitor, signaling to the referee that the 90 seconds has expired and the review is over. The referee must then announce his decision.
If needed, the communicator will also explain a referee's ruling to the TV truck and to the teams' public relations directors in the press box for dissemination to the media.
A buzzer system will be utilized to signal the call for a replay. Before the final two minutes, the head coach will buzz the referee and replay booth that he challenges a play and wants a review. Within the final two minutes, the booth will buzz the referee, calling for a replay. The head coaches will wear a belt pack containing a buzzer. When pressed, the buzzer will simultaneously signal the referee, umpire and replay booth that a replay is being requested.
There will be three replay monitors at field level in open-air stadiums. Two will be positioned at opposite 20-yard lines near the sideline wall. A third will be in a runway, for use if there is inclement weather. Two monitors will be used in domed stadiums.
As the referee approaches the monitor, his first replay will await him. His 90 seconds for a decision begins when he puts on the headphones that put him in contact with the replay booth.
Reviewable plays:
The instant replay system will cover a variety of plays in three main areas.
Sideline, Goal Line, End Zone, and End-Line plays.
Passing Plays.
Other detectable infractions, such as a runner ruled down not by defensive contact, and the number of players on the field.
Originally posted by botankus
I don't know which is funnier - the misinformation itself or the confidence in which it is presented!Here's the technology behind Instant Replay for Coach's Challenges
From the article:Also, they have 6 angles they can use for instant replay. So yes, it's more than zero angles.
Leitch
Leitch developed the instant replay system that has been installed in every NFL stadium since 1999. Used for Coach’s Challenge, the VR FORCE video server system uses a Leitch FORCE-1000 controller built by BUF.
One of Leitch’s other slo-mo products, Whiplash2, puts broadcast-quality slow motion within the reach of local broadcasters, cable companies, colleges, universities, and other small organizations.
That is what they use for review. but FORCE-1000 is not slow motion.
I don't know maybe they changed the rule. But when it's conception back into the league (1999) it was live motion that the refs had to see.
And please tell, who said anything about zero angles?
Sorry, I was just being a smartass on the zero angles part. I'm used to posting in the GDF, so you'll have to forgive me on a a few things.
Okay...
In the replay booth will a replay official, a communicator, and a technician.
The communicator uses a touch-screen monitor with nine pictures on the screen, each showing a different view of the game. The replay official and the technician will each have 20-inch flat screen monitors featuring the live game feed and any replays the communicator calls for. Each can also see the game on the field.One example Gaston gave is on a scoring kickoff return. If the communicator thinks a runner might have stepped out of bounds, he immediately touches his screen, giving both other officials a view of the play. Because there is a two-second delay on the monitors, the officials receive a replay in slow motion from various angles while viewers at home are watching it "live."
With a remote, the people in the booth toggle through different replays, different angles, trying to decide if there is enough evidence to call for a review. As the teams huddle up and begin the next play, the officials are reviewing as fast as they can. If they decide a review is necessary, they buzz the beepers worn by referees on the field and play is stopped.
"If they come up with indisputable video evidence to make the over-turn," Gaston said, "they can do so."In the NFL, referees in the booth review every play in a similar fashion during the last two minutes of each half.
Originally posted by botankus
Sorry, I was just being a smartass on the zero angles part. I'm used to posting in the GDF, so you'll have to forgive me on a a few things.Okay...
I don't know....Your evidence is undisputable. I guess they have changed the rule since '99. Oh well. I was wrong.
well every college conference is different, some dont use replay, and many use different types. There is one that no joke just uses a TiVo.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
A buzzer system will be utilized to signal the call for a replay. Before the final two minutes, the head coach will buzz the referee and replay booth that he challenges a play and wants a review. Within the final two minutes, the booth will buzz the referee, calling for a replay. The head coaches will wear a belt pack containing a buzzer. When pressed, the buzzer will simultaneously signal the referee, umpire and replay booth that a replay is being requested.
they actually got rid of the buzzer because coaches would "accidentaly" hit it so they could get the refs attention and just chew them out.. now throwing the flag is the only way to tell.
My Superbowl Contenders for next year! Just for fun...in descending order of likeliness.
AFC
Broncos - I think Signing TO will have sucess Short term, Longterm could be disasterous. Also Ricky Williams would be a nice addition.
Colts - I'm hesitant to have them at 2. I guess we will find out.
Patriots - Still a Strong Team, One of the Top Head Coaches to boot.
Steelers/Bengals - Both have Questions in the Offseason...Steelers might lose alot of Free Agents without some smart cap moves (they are what, 4 million over? Bettis will be gone though so thats a cap plus).Bengals biggest one is Carson Palmer...I hope he makes it back okay, at least for the 5th game at the Latest...But only if he is ready.
Also another Good Defensive Draft would help. Maybe Gabe Watson? i wonder if millions would motivate him?
Dolphins - My Darkhorse. =)
NFC
Seahawks - Good chance to make it back. Probally needs to resign Shaun Alexander though.
Panthers - Solid contender
Dallas - Should make the Playoffs this year.
Giants - Should be better this season.
To be honest....the NFC is too shaky...I have a feeling some of these teams that were good this year are flukes. Liek the Buccaneers, The Redskins, the Bears....
I know it's early, but who cares?
the redskins should be better next year, the bears D is awesome and the offense is only gonna get better with the QB's getting used to the game, the Bucs are similar where they will only get better as Simms and Cadilac adjust to the NFL, Dallas is the one I see falling off.
Dolphins are a lot of peoples darkhorse allthough they were a winning team last year so not the biggest darkhorse in the world. I seem to remember AZ being the popular darkhorse last year and look where they got.. so Ill say 49's make an improvement again maybe go 7-9 this year?
Why do you see Dallas falling off?
I think they defense will improve dramatically. The offense will improve if they get a RT. Hopefully, they get Holmes in the draft, and pick up an FS and OLB.
But overall, I think they'll be in the hunt again.
I can see the Redskins tailing off because of Brunell. He looked great early in the season, but seriously tailed off in the end. I have no idea about the Eagles, and the Giants are probably going to be the same team.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Why do you see Dallas falling off?I think they defense will improve dramatically. The offense will improve if they get a RT. Hopefully, they get Holmes in the draft, and pick up an FS and OLB.
But overall, I think they'll be in the hunt again.
I can see the Redskins tailing off because of Brunell. He looked great early in the season, but seriously tailed off in the end. I have no idea about the Eagles, and the Giants are probably going to be the same team.
The Eagles are going no where fast. In my opinion at least.
Originally posted by forumcrew
the redskins should be better next year, the bears D is awesome and the offense is only gonna get better with the QB's getting used to the game, the Bucs are similar where they will only get better as Simms and Cadilac adjust to the NFL, Dallas is the one I see falling off.Dolphins are a lot of peoples darkhorse allthough they were a winning team last year so not the biggest darkhorse in the world. I seem to remember AZ being the popular darkhorse last year and look where they got.. so Ill say 49's make an improvement again maybe go 7-9 this year?
Arizona truly was a disappointment to lots of people this year.