Originally posted by DarkSaint85you are missing the point. What good is still being able to fight when you can't even phase DD at all? DD could literally keep shredding him before he ever fully reforms, eventually taking all of his lives.
Not teleport - TK.He throws things with his mind. He was able to TK an aircraft carrier across the Atlantic. Something as (relatively) light as Doomsday will be no problem.
He can exist as magical shadow energy - so immaterial. And whilst immaterial, he could still control his hands etc even after they were blown off.
Check earlier pages. And he CAN do stuff when in pieces - that's the whole thing I'm trying to say.
Here, despite having almost no body, and just a head/arms/legs, he can still attack:Edit: none of the links work. Here is a good summary:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/alucard-vs-superman-1526321/
Scroll to post 14.
So he can buy some time with that.
Originally posted by h1a8
you are missing the point. What good is still being able to fight when you can't even phase DD at all? DD could literally keep shredding him before he ever fully reforms, eventually taking all of his lives.
You're missing the point.
The familiars operate independently of him. Whilst shredding one guy, he has his magical energy all over the place - and as we have seen, new attacks can and will hurt him. Which would buy him the time to do a TK BFR. The cards and the bullets can phase him, even if it is just to make him madder. As a distraction, he is just a mindless beast who can be distracted.
Doomsday does not stand in place shredding over and over again. He will shred Alucard, who can and will reform somewhere else, laughing and saying how he has finally found a worthy opponent. I have been providing scans over and over again in this thread - now it is time for the reverse.
Scans please, of Doomsday doing something over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.....three million times.
This is, of course, using old Doomsday and Alucard. Should we not use current versions?
Isn't DD the epitome of something that just does something over and over and over? He punched his prison nonstop til it broke open, attacked the first thing he saw, kept attacking everything around him, attacked the JLA, attacked Supes til he got KOD, etc. And he doesn't get tired. He'd def keep attacking Alucard...
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Isn't DD the epitome of something that just does something over and over and over? He punched his prison nonstop til it broke open, attacked the first thing he saw, kept attacking everything around him, attacked the JLA, attacked Supes til he got KOD, etc. And he doesn't get tired. He'd def keep attacking Alucard...
He attacks until his aims are met, true. But once they are met (Alucard is ripped apart) then he will stop. He kept going to Metropolis, just because he was drawn there. He stopped attacking Darkseid. When fighting the Imperiex probes, he killed one, then moved onto the next. He didn't just stay in place punching the same probe over and over again.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He attacks until his aims are met, true. But once they are met (Alucard is ripped apart) then he will stop. He kept going to Metropolis, just because he was drawn there. He stopped attacking Darkseid. When fighting the Imperiex probes, he killed one, then moved onto the next. He didn't just stay in place punching the same probe over and over again.
He'd stop hitting as soon as Alucard was dead, yeah. Being as Alucard would no doubt keep getting back up (while taunting DD at that), why would DD stop attacking him?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85DD is invulnerable. Even more so than Superman. Nothing he can do can even phase DD.
You're missing the point.The familiars operate independently of him. Whilst shredding one guy, he has his magical energy all over the place - and as we have seen, new attacks can and will hurt him. Which would buy him the time to do a TK BFR. The cards and the bullets can phase him, even if it is just to make him madder. As a distraction, he is just a mindless beast who can be distracted.
Doomsday does not stand in place shredding over and over again. He will shred Alucard, who can and will reform somewhere else, laughing and saying how he has finally found a worthy opponent. I have been providing scans over and over again in this thread - now it is time for the reverse.
Scans please, of Doomsday doing something over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.....three million times.
This is, of course, using old Doomsday and Alucard. Should we not use current versions?
If Alucard reforms in DD's face then DD will attack him again. If DD thinks he's dead then DD will stop attacking. How can Alucard TK bfr him while shredded? Has he ever done that while shredded or even thought about it? Also, when DD see's him reforms just once then he remembers to stay there and shred him again once he reforms.
Originally posted by krisblazeMore resistant to physical attacks. Is that better?
"more invulnerable than Superman".more invulnerable....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85DD is invulnerable. Even more so than Superman. Nothing he can do can even phase DD.
You're missing the point.The familiars operate independently of him. Whilst shredding one guy, he has his magical energy all over the place - and as we have seen, new attacks can and will hurt him. Which would buy him the time to do a TK BFR. The cards and the bullets can phase him, even if it is just to make him madder. As a distraction, he is just a mindless beast who can be distracted.
Doomsday does not stand in place shredding over and over again. He will shred Alucard, who can and will reform somewhere else, laughing and saying how he has finally found a worthy opponent. I have been providing scans over and over again in this thread - now it is time for the reverse.
Scans please, of Doomsday doing something over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.....three million times.
This is, of course, using old Doomsday and Alucard. Should we not use current versions?
If Alucard reforms in DD's face then DD will attack him again. If DD thinks he's dead then DD will stop attacking. Alucard is going to reform in the same place he was shredded, the same place his pieces are. He only reforms in shadow if he was damaged significantly (like incinerated or a pool of blood, etc.). How can Alucard TK bfr him while brain is shredded? He need his brain to activate his TK powers. Unless you can show a scan where he uses TK while brain is damaged severely. Also, when DD see's him reforms just once then he remembers to stay there and shred him again once he reforms.
Finally, is it even in Alucard's character to even bfr someone? If so, then he can do so right away (without having to be killed) and win the fight. Why argue about this shredding business?
Originally posted by h1a8
More resistant to physical attacks. Is that better?DD is invulnerable. Even more so than Superman. Nothing he can do can even phase DD.
Against magical attacks? Scans, please.
If Alucard reforms in DD's face then DD will attack him again. If DD thinks he's dead then DD will stop attacking. Alucard is going to reform in the same place he was shredded, the same place his pieces are.
He only reforms in shadow if he was damaged significantly (like incinerated or a pool of blood, etc.). How can Alucard TK bfr him while brain is shredded? He need his brain to activate his TK powers. Unless you can show a scan where he uses TK while brain is damaged severely. Also, when DD see's him reforms just once then he remembers to stay there and shred him again once he reforms.
I can show him using other powers whilst his head is shredded, how about that?
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/hellsing/images/c/c9/Head_Regeneration.jpg
IOW, he does not need a head. You (and others) are mistaken in applying Western comic book logic and tropes to a magical manga series. He does not need a head.
Here is another scan, from a separate incidence:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Gazdakka/812a4368.jpg
Finally, is it even in Alucard's character to even bfr someone? If so, then he can do so right away (without having to be killed) and win the fight. Why argue about this shredding business?
Page 2 of this thread. He uses BFR. I am arguing that he may not use it right off the bat, to give Doomsday a sporting chance.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Against magical attacks? Scans, please.
Not true, as his energy can still move his body parts around.
I can show him using other powers whilst his head is shredded, how about that?
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/hellsing/images/c/c9/Head_Regeneration.jpg
IOW, he does not need a head. You (and others) are mistaken in applying Western comic book logic and tropes to a magical manga series. He does not need a head.
Here is another scan, from a separate incidence:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Gazdakka/812a4368.jpgPage 2 of this thread. He uses BFR. I am arguing that he may not use it right off the bat, to give Doomsday a sporting chance. [/B]
DOS shown DD resistant to magical attacks. Also a very durable character is automatically equally resistant to magical attacks (magic blasts etc) unless shown otherwise. There is nothing special about magical attacks in comparison to non magical attacks. Unless you are referring to curses or spells.
I don't see where he is using powers while his head is shredded.
Has he ever bfr someone before. Is that in his character to do? If so then he wins via bfr. I'll accept a lost like that.
Originally posted by h1a8
DOS shown DD resistant to magical attacks. Also a very durable character is automatically equally resistant to magical attacks (magic blasts etc) unless shown otherwise. There is nothing special about magical attacks in comparison to non magical attacks. Unless you are referring to curses or spells.I don't see where he is using powers while his head is shredded.
Has he ever bfr someone before. Is that in his character to do? If so then he wins via bfr. I'll accept a lost like that.
Against whom was he resistant to? And is all magic equal?
There is indeed, nothing special, except of course, magical cards which negate healing factors are kinda different from HV or energy blasts. Unless you think they were just normal cards?
He was using his powers of reforming. IOW, he was still sentient.
He has. Page 2 of this thread. Second time I have pointed this out to you.
Not within his character to bust it out in the first attack, no. Which is why I have NEVER said that he opens with it - only that he would do it AFTER being shredded.
He's still capable of firing his guns and aiming without a head - IOW, no need for his head to be capable of sentient thought.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149746/4239449-head+shot.jpg
His energy can also move independently of his body:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149746/4239488-distractions.png
More regen:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/149746/4244996-reforms+from+a+pool+of+blood.jpg
Of course, this assumes we do NOT use current versions.
Current New 52 Doomsday vs Schroedinger Alucard? Care to take that wager, h1?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Against whom was he resistant to? And is all magic equal?There is indeed, nothing special, except of course, magical cards which negate healing factors are kinda different from HV or energy blasts. Unless you think they were just normal cards?
He was using his powers of reforming. IOW, he was still sentient.
He has. Page 2 of this thread. Second time I have pointed this out to you.
Not within his character to bust it out in the first attack, no. Which is why I have NEVER said that he opens with it - only that he would do it AFTER being shredded.
Ice for one.
Of course not all magic is equal just like all energy blasts aren't equal.
What good is negating healing factors when you can't damage them?
I'm not sure he can do tk with his head being shredded. Let's assume he can. IDK.
But
1. Most don't think it's in his character to EVER bfr.
2. Even so, couldn't DD just jump back?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I don't ever argue New 52 DD. HP or DOS DD for me.
He's still capable of firing his guns and aiming without a head - IOW, no need for his head to be capable of sentient thought.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149746/4239449-head+shot.jpg
His energy can also move independently of his body:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149746/4239488-distractions.pngMore regen:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/149746/4244996-reforms+from+a+pool+of+blood.jpgOf course, this assumes we do NOT use current versions.
Current New 52 Doomsday vs Schroedinger Alucard? Care to take that wager, h1?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Alucard can shape shift and transform his body, so he can really do anything he can when he's in his normal form and when he's being ripped apart. 👆
He's still capable of firing his guns and aiming without a head - IOW, no need for his head to be capable of sentient thought.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149746/4239449-head+shot.jpg
His energy can also move independently of his body:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149746/4239488-distractions.pngMore regen:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/149746/4244996-reforms+from+a+pool+of+blood.jpgOf course, this assumes we do NOT use current versions.
Current New 52 Doomsday vs Schroedinger Alucard? Care to take that wager, h1?
Originally posted by h1a8
Ice for one.
Of course not all magic is equal just like all energy blasts aren't equal.
What good is negating healing factors when you can't damage them?
I'm not sure he can do tk with his head being shredded. Let's assume he can. IDK.
But
1. Most don't think it's in his character to EVER bfr.
2. Even so, couldn't DD just jump back?
1. Aren't you the guy who ignores the majority, if they're, in your opinion, wrong? See Page 2 for scans of him BFRing. This is now the third time I've directed you.
2. If he takes more than a certain amount of time (I never did know how long this was) then it's a forum win.
