Exar Kun versus DE Sidious and DE Luke

I see Kun saying all of the Jedi, but it's a little hard to believe that all of the Jedi in the galaxy were gathered. They could have at least be more specific to avoid thoughts of exaggeration.

Well, Ulic saying "the Jedi Knights of the Republic are united against you", Kun saying "Even I can't fight the combined might of all the Jedi", the omniscient narrator saying "thousands upon thousands", "combined Force of Jedi Knights", and some Jedi saying he's "receiving a flood of acknowledgments from all Jedi. Thousands of them" was indication enough.

Although, if the omniscient narrator outright stated it was all the Jedi it would've been a lot easier.

And since when does Dooku, Sidious, or any Luke before NJO have the grasp of the force that Kun possesses, let alone the amulet that can supposedly destroy anything in it's path.

If Sidious knew "all techniques", he would know instakilling moves, so why doesn't he use it on Luke? Dooku doesn't exert his Force lightning in every situation where he could have, as well numerous other people that could've used powers a, b, and c in situation x, y, and z, and Traya doesn't use her instakill abilities in every situation that arises as well. Instakilling techniques = just that.

The fact of the matter is, they don't need to, nor does Kun have to use it in the situations of the comic.

My point is saying that saying Kun cause that amulet whenever he pleases is AS ridiculous as saying Kun can use it once.

How is it as ridiculous? Let alone, ridiculous.

Logical deducting there's no reason why he would not be able too, and logical deducting he can use it again.

Since when have his amulet blasts been so impresive?

Perhaps you haven't read TOTJ? If that's the case, just take a look at the pictures IKC posted. Having a DBZ blast that tears through a Sith Wyrm, and temple rock = impressive.

In the right situation, even force lightning can be considered an insta kill...Sidious doesn't use a force attack on Luke for the same reason Kun doesn't on Vodo, or Naga doesn't try one on Ludo, or Kueller didn't try on Luke, or Maul didn't use the force on Qui-gon.

Yeah, that's kind of the point I was getting at. 😉

The answer: Because the author thinks a saber battle is cooler

First of all since when does Sidious know all the force attacks? Secondly, it is very debateable that Kreia could use her instakill without her life bond to the exile. Thirdly, absence of proof shows that Kun used it once and was afraid to use it again. While this isn't a logical reason for him never to use it again, there is nothing to suggest Kun mastered the dark side to the point where he CAN use it whenever he wants, unless you want to quantify his power or the power it would take to use the amulet as easily as Naga Sadow used it.

First of all since when does Sidious know all the force attacks?

See: DE and it's supplements. I'm not debating all of what Sidious knew, I'm only debating that it's safe to assume he knew an instakill technique or two.

Secondly, it is very debateable that Kreia could use her instakill without her life bond to the exile.

That doesn't account for:

-Dooku.
-Sidious.
-Every powerful Force user.
-Anyone who wields the Force.

Thirdly, absence of proof shows that Kun used it once and was afraid to use it again.

And why, pray tell, does Kun use the amulet against Aleema? Why does he use it afterwards against Nadd? Yes, I'd say he's absolutely terrified of it, so terrified he finds/creates another one (I'm not debating that), and equips it.

Not to mention, he wasn't even attuned to the Darkside at the time.

While this isn't a logical reason for him never to use it again, there is nothing to suggest Kun mastered the dark side to the point where he CAN use it whenever he wants, unless you want to quantify his power or the power it would take to use the amulet as easily as Naga Sadow used it.

I can't say much except "..." to the actual point. If it's not a logical reason, then why even mention it?

Omniscient narrator: "What Exar Kun understands is that the dark rage that fills his own heart can be focused in this amulet, unleashing tremendous energies!"

He says he can barely control it as it multiplies in power, however this is when he had barely had knowledge of what the amulet even was, or the Darkside itself.

And, I'd say increasing in the Darkside would allow more control over a "Dark side weapon".

Ok and again how much control would it take to control the weapon and how much did exar kun have? And Exar Kun didn't use the amulet on Nadd, he stuck it through Nadd, that's not using it.

And Exar Kun didn't use the amulet on Nadd, he stuck it through Nadd, that's not using it.

I suppose turning the amulet "against his mentor" isn't using it. What do you think killed Nadd? Kun tickling him?

I think that tdtd meant that he didn't use the blast function of the amulet.

Yup that's what I meant.

Except there's nothing to say that he can't. Indeed, Kun later notes that "Sadow's magician power" could destroy him if he doesn't master it, and then declares, "So master it I shall!"

Frankly, there's no reason why he can't use the beams. They didn't consume or destroy him when he knew jack about the Dark Side, and they won't after he's learned all he knows by the end of the Sith War.

Ok so because Kun said he's going to master it automatically means that he mastered it, or means nothing except his determination? If you can prove that he can use his beams as many times as he want, it's another matter, but you can't. On another note, I'm reading comic 4 of 6 on DLOTS and Odan Urr gives Ulic a holocron detailing the life of a Jedi who wanted to destroy the dark side from within but turned to the dark side. Who is this Jedi, does anybody know? I'm assuming it was Freedon Nadd but the way it was described that it was in the ancient times.

Ok so because Kun said he's going to master it automatically means that he mastered it, or means nothing except his determination?

If you want to go by his words, since he wasn't destroyed, I guess that means he did master it.

If you can prove that he can use his beams as many times as he want, it's another matter, but you can't.

Already have. This is the last time I'll address this point until you come up with a cogent argument as to why he cannot.:

Kun, shown here, knows dick-all about the Dark Side and only moments before embraced the power of rage. Kun, by the end of the Sith War, has made immense gains in power and knowledge. Ergo, Kun can and will use the beams he fired in his early moments as a Darksider.

Ergo, Kun can and will use the beams he fired in his early moments as a Darksider.

Except he'll use them to a greater proficiency. 😉

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Except he'll use them to a greater proficiency. 😉

Well, that's a given.

Why would I have to proof that he can't use them? Why would I prove a negative? And somebody answer my damn question.

Why would I have to proof that he can't use them?

Because we already have proof that he can.

Um he used it once. You yourself said the attack on Aleema was a different attack.

Originally posted by tdtd
Um he used it once. You yourself said the attack on Aleema was a different attack.

Since when was I arguing his attack on Aleema for anything?

And again, repeatedly saying "he used it once" means dick-all. Make a god damned argument.

tdtd, your making blatantly bias assumptions.

Tell me, when someone as determined as Kun, why is he not going to master what he wishes to, when the knowledge is provided.

You know your bias can be hilarious, so your saying Kun can't shoot his amulet blasts because he did so once, why can you assume Luke can constantly and effortless perform his emerald lightning? By your standards, anyone that has only performed a feat once, cannot do so again.

Your logic is that Kun is not shown to have used the beams again. So therefore he cant.

Sadow isn't shown to use his illusions more than once, does that mean he cant use it again?

Luke isn't shown to use his emerald lightning more than once, does that mean he cant use it again?