Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Except he'll use them to a greater proficiency. 😉
Not really. I mean the only reason that the blasts were of such great magnitude and power was because Kun couldn't control them. The power was so great that it was dangerous even to himself. So when he learned how to control them, I doubt the blasts were anywhere near as powerful as they were when he first used them.
Originally posted by Deception
tdtd, your making blatantly bias assumptions.Tell me, when someone as determined as Kun, why is he not going to master what he wishes to, when the knowledge is provided.
You know your bias can be hilarious, so your saying Kun can't shoot his amulet blasts because he did so once, why can you assume Luke can constantly and effortless perform his emerald lightning? By your standards, anyone that has only performed a feat once, cannot do so again.
Your logic is that Kun is not shown to have used the beams again. So therefore he cant.
Sadow isn't shown to use his illusions more than once, does that mean he cant use it again?
Luke isn't shown to use his emerald lightning more than once, does that mean he cant use it again?
Wrong, I'm saying Kun CAN"T use it just whenever he feels like it. I'm glad he's a determined human being who wants to master all sith knowledge, but how do we know that he mastered it to the point where he can control the amulet, since we don't see it. I'm not doubting he can use it again, the question is can he use it anytime he wants.. It's weird how you're going to sit there and tell me "Oh he mastered it to the point where he can use it anytime he wants, for sure"..
He MAY have mastered to the point where he can knock opponents out with it as he did to Aleema, but to do what he did the Sadow's beast, anytime he wants, is doubtful.
Then why don't you provide a convincing argument that it'd be doubtful? All you and Fox are saying is "I doubt it", just saying that you "doubt" it is not substitution for an argument.
Not really. I mean the only reason that the blasts were of such great magnitude and power was because Kun couldn't control them.
Perhaps you missed the "What Exar Kun understands is that the dark rage that fills his own heart can be focused in this amulet, unleashing tremendous energies!" part.
Kun used his rage to power the amulet, which undoubtedly every Sith always has a dark rage in their heart. Not to mention, he couldn't control them because for one he hadn't even became attuned to the Dark side, two hadn't mastered jack about it.
Now, you are going to tell me when he becomes much more powerful, has Sadow's notes, works with Sith alchemy, becomes Dark Lord of the Sith, that he can't control that much power? Think logically, or at the least, put up an argument if you are going to assert your doubts.
I am thinking logically, that's like saying "Oh well he learned ALL of Sadow's teachings". How do you know he learned all of his teachings or that he even had a fraction of knowledge Sadow had. How do you know how much more powerful Kun got, and if it was powerful enough to the point where he can control those amulet blasts without killing himself. I don't see how you think it's logical for him to use the blasts ANYTIME he feels like it. Interestingly enough when he had all those Jedi about to defeat him, he didn't do anything except shed his body. Why didn't he use the amulet to take the Jedi out or at least attempt to? He's had PLENTY of opportunities to use the amulet blasts, opportunities that would require it, and he didn't. Ergo, he either COULDN'T control the blasts, or he was afraid to try.
Originally posted by tdtd
I am thinking logically, that's like saying "Oh well he learned ALL of Sadow's teachings". How do you know he learned all of his teachings or that he even had a fraction of knowledge Sadow had. How do you know how much more powerful Kun got, and if it was powerful enough to the point where he can control those amulet blasts without killing himself.
No. You're not thinking logically. Kun was able to use the amulet blasts without killing himself when he didn't even have started to use the Dark Side. Why would he not be able to do the same, after he mastered tons of Sith magic ? And even better: Why would he equip himself with another amulet if the first is already to much to handle for him. That's illogical.
I don't see how you think it's logical for him to use the blasts ANYTIME he feels like it. Interestingly enough when he had all those Jedi about to defeat him, he didn't do anything except shed his body.
Eh...really dude...
The Jedi were above his HQ in the number of thousands. Even assuming that he could fire amulet blasts out of the atmosphere - how many ships do you think he would have been able to shoot down before getting pwned himself ? The only way he saw was to "run rampant through the galaxy" as a spirit. He did want to leave his body with the reason to become more powerful.
Why didn't he use the amulet to take the Jedi out or at least attempt to? He's had PLENTY of opportunities to use the amulet blasts, opportunities that would require it, and he didn't. Ergo, he either COULDN'T control the blasts, or he was afraid to try.
What use would it have been to shoot down 10 or 20 ships before getting his ass kicked by thousands of Jedi ? And in what other fights should he had used them ? He either killed his opponents without needing the amulet or confronted beings who might have had some large protection against the amulet blasts (Ulic having a similar amulet, Odd having back up by the entire power of Ossus).
Originally posted by tdtd
Do you even know what the second amulet does? And why would it be contingent on the first one necessarily?
Because we only see the the effects of Sith amulets when Kun uses them (and Ulic tries to). For all we know, they all can do what Kun used the first to do. We don't know that there's a variety.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Then why don't you provide a convincing argument that it'd be doubtful? All you and Fox are saying is "I doubt it", just saying that you "doubt" it is not substitution for an argument.Perhaps you missed the "What Exar Kun understands is that the dark rage that fills his own heart can be focused in this amulet, unleashing tremendous energies!" part.
Kun used his rage to power the amulet, which undoubtedly every Sith always has a dark rage in their heart. Not to mention, he couldn't control them because for one he hadn't even became attuned to the Dark side, two hadn't mastered jack about it.
Now, you are going to tell me when he becomes much more powerful, has Sadow's notes, works with Sith alchemy, becomes Dark Lord of the Sith, that he can't control that much power? Think logically, or at the least, put up an argument if you are going to assert your doubts.
You have completely missed my point. You seem to think that I was saying that Kun couldn't control the blasts because they were so powerful. I was actually saying that the blasts were so powerful because he couldn't control them. There is a difference.
You have completely missed my point.
Wait, before I respond...you were actually trying to make a point?
You seem to think that I was saying that Kun couldn't control the blasts because they were so powerful. I was actually saying that the blasts were so powerful because he couldn't control them. There is a difference.
Point being: The amulet amplifies his own power and rage, so whatever size/power of the blasts Kun did when he first received it, he is still capable of.
On top of that, Kun says he can "just barely direct it", meaning he still has some control over the blast even at that power.