The official Anime Vs anything thread

Originally posted by leonheartmm
LOL. ANY1 whose read the latest chapter would not even try to refute the destructive power of narto characters. i think we were just having a discussion about nuke or no nuke. well, diedara, who is inferior even to urochimaru let alone itachi, just created a blast covering an area greater than 300 square kilometre and being higher by about 5 times than its area of damage!!! aizen takes out the entire naruto verse my ASS!

And this figure came from where, exactly?

Tell me, have you ever seen a nuclear detonation?

Nothing in Naruto has even shown the destructive power of a MOAB, let alone a nuke.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

oh right, since every1 in naruto has a chakra circulatory system entwined with their senses, that means every sound/touch/taste/sight is actually a chakra manipulating phenomenon????

Your analogy makes no-sense, just like you.

Are the shinobi in naruto composed of chakra like how shingami are composed of entirely spiritual energy?

Originally posted by leonheartmm

you forget that ichigo also fights in the real world in his real body and is still affected by the attacks of hollows which are PHYSICAL. the point your making is silly, the attack is never stated to be spiritual. its not TELEPATHY, its HYPNOTISM. and again you ignore the fact that a guy who is specifically BLIND{i.e. relies on spiritual insight to sense the world around him and not his PHYSICAL sense of sight} is completely NOT affected by the technique. case closed.

😆

The attack uses reiatsu like every attack in bleach and is thus a Spiritutal attack. Hollow's attacking ichigo in the physical realm is irrelevant to the intrinsic nature of their attack.

Why would it matter if the mangaka gives souls phyisical attributes? Do souls exsist for us to make a refrence? The concept of a soul is arbitary to what the mangaka wants, and he's said shinigami are souls. Case Closed

Originally posted by leonheartmm

im comparing the blast from chidori+raasengan as a mini nuke!!!! its because chidori and raasengan usually pierce or cut through their targets with highly concentrated damage. when they are faced with equally large resistance, they BURST. releasing their energy and giving us a scope of the true damage potential which was concentrated and cudnt be seen. again, ur wrong. the first time sasuke used the chidoi he dived from the waterfall while naruto was at the bottom standing on water. neither was using the kyuubi chakra or curse seal at all. that explosion caused the water t form waves on the lake. go watch the episode again. and it is easily stated that even NOW sasuke pre urochi's death could not kill itachi even with the help of urochimaru. and yet you presume raikiri would have worked on him.

Blah,Blah,Blah, all this is irrelevant because the chidori that sasuke performed on itachi was not the same as in the waterfall. You brought that point up to try to make it look as if he could halt an attack of that magnitude.

And, I don't care about your summaries since you resort to lying about events in naruto.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and i did, you were just not listening.
just before the fight, i told you. you do not watch the anime enough or have forgotten.
your inability to discern evidence from the mangaa and anime is not my problem. his eyes atre blurred in the manga, yes. but the blurring is very small, easily indicating the size of his eyes which is closed at the time. look at the panel later when tsukiyomi has hit him. look at the size of the eye in comparison to the face and then compare it with the blurring before., youll see a stark differnce. better yet look at the anime{btw, kishimoto confirmed that all non filler animes were cannon}
because you are not listening. i mentioned the event because i did not remember the exact chapter. look up the episode. or are you telling me you cant look up the episode where itachi and kisame are trying to kidnapp naruto form the hotel room????

P-R-O-V-E -I-T

I'm not taking your word that kishimoto said that filler are canon and I'm not taking your horribly typed descriptions.

Oh, and his eye's were not closed they were shaded. You seem to have resorted to lying just to support your argument. You claimed that the attack can only strike one target at a time which is why Kakashi was the only person hit. Where is your evidence for this?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaname_T%C5%8Dsen

thats the kind of response youll get. your statements about shinigami not having normal senses are stupid.

They don't and even if they did it would change the fact that they are souls.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And this figure came from where, exactly?

Tell me, have you ever seen a nuclear detonation?

Nothing in Naruto has even shown the destructive power of a MOAB, let alone a nuke.

the largest nuclear bomb ever exploded. the tsar bomba, was a 50-80 megaton yield thermonuclear/delayed fission device. the blast was not even 5 miles in radius and intense destruction radius was 30 kilometres from epicentre{AFTER an airborn detonation which drastically increases immediate chaos zone}. lol. dont try me on nukes or bombs. moab at most can destroy a few city blocks. and by DESTROY in the technical sense, i mean level buildings. not put a crater in the ground. the highest land based or buried non airburst conventional nukes do no even put craters bigger than 5 kilometres in radius in the softest of grounds. a mere meteor which can put a crater 40 kilometres in radius{and this is just ground structure collapsing on itself like in nukes, this is totally SPLITTING the earth apart and blowing it up} can easily destroy all life on earth. get you facts straight.

and diedara himself warned sasuke before self exploding that the BLAST ITSELF would be over 30 kilometres in diamter. and this was proven by the size of it when it exploded in the ast panel. funny thing i, it was atleast 5 TIMES as HIGH as it was wide. while even nukes or meteors are not even 1/5th! of the height of their width. that is totally humoungous energy. even the entire city was dwarfed by it.

im sure your aware of how to mathematically calculate the area surrounded by a circle of known radius endless mike. pi multiplied by the square of radius. thats where i get the figure from. diedara mentioned the blast would have a radius greater than 10 kilometres. calculate it my friend, youl get tha answer.

"Your analogy makes no-sense, just like you.

Are the shinobi in naruto composed of chakra like how shingami are composed of entirely spiritual energy?"

is ichigo composed entirely of spiritual energy? are the hollows that appear in the physical world composed of just spiritual energy?

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The attack uses reiatsu like every attack in bleach and is thus a Spiritutal attack. Hollow's attacking ichigo in the physical realm is irrelevant to the intrinsic nature of their attack."

irrelevant because u say so????? utterly silly, it is a fact you have not explained, please dont brush it off as irrelevant. naruto shinobi use chakra for many physical attacks. or are you saying rock lee having opened 5 gates and unleashing primary lotus is not a PHYSICAL attack?????!!! your resoning is ridiculous. spiritual energy is used to incur IMPOSSIBILE "PHYSICAL" phenomenon. im not saying there arent attacks based entirely on spirits{tsukiyomi for one} but aizen's is not one of them. as it is explained now. i always thought it should be for the primary antagonist, but its clearly explained that its hypnotism in shikai form. also you have not explained even uptil now, how a shinigami can be BLIND? or be affected by an illusion that specifically targets ALL SENSES but "touch" because of which zaraki had to have himself impaled by his zanpakuto to break free of the PHYSICAL illusion. also why is it that the blind dude in his shikai attacks with SOUND, seeing as shinigami are just spirits and dont have physical hearing as you claim.

"Why would it matter if the mangaka gives souls phyisical attributes? Do souls exsist for us to make a refrence? The concept of a soul is arbitary to what the mangaka wants, and he's said shinigami are souls. Case Closed"

right, right. they do not have bodies compatble for the real world. doesnt mean they are just SPIRITS. after all, even you must have noticed that shinigami GUIDE spirits. i know what your trying to say. but being a media, and us being humans, the creators can not possibly come up with an anime which shows pirits trancendant of mass, space, time or physical senses. the same as it is in yu yu hakusho. they are susceptibe to poison. they bleed when wounded. they are succeptible to sound. they have attacks which are gravity based. all these things point to a PARALLEL "PHYSICAL" reality. aizen's attack does not work on the soul. look at it, what happens if a shinigami DIES??? i mean theyr only souls after all, that shudnt be possible. yet shinigami do die, and they pass on, which means they are not simply the core/soul as you imply and no amount of stubborn restating will change that.

"Blah,Blah,Blah, all this is irrelevant because the chidori that sasuke performed on itachi was not the same as in the waterfall. You brought that point up to try to make it look as if he could halt an attack of that magnitude."

yes it was, he was going all out, a full powered chidori without the cursed seal. the same as it was first time in the waterfall.

"And, I don't care about your summaries since you resort to lying about events in naruto."

i dont lie, you just make yourself believe i do if i cant produce a scan just that instant.

"P-R-O-V-E -I-T

I'm not taking your word that kishimoto said that filler are canon and I'm not taking your horribly typed descriptions."

when the HECK did i say that?!?!?!?! kishimoto said the NON filler "ANIME" episodes were cannon.

"Oh, and his eye's were not closed they were shaded. You seem to have resorted to lying just to support your argument. You claimed that the attack can only strike one target at a time which is why Kakashi was the only person hit. Where is your evidence for this? "

ive given you three lengthy pieces. he was conversing only with kakashi. he only targetted him. and remember, tsukiyomi is pernonally torturing ONE person. hell ask ANY1 around here if itachi was targetting just kakashi or the entire group or if tsukiyomi has ever been attempted on more than one person at a time. your the one not willing ot listen to any1 other than yourself. his eyes were shaded to give the impression of the negetive meotions he was fealing. the area and proportion of the shaded region give you a clue as to the eyes being open or clsoed.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

is ichigo composed entirely of spiritual energy? are the hollows that appear in the physical world composed of just spiritual energy?

Yes, they are composed of spirit energy and so is Soul Society. When Ishida was using his quincy powers to absorb the ambient spirit energy in Soul Society. The building's around the are began to dissolve, reason being was because they were composed of Spirit energy that ishida was abosrbing.

You fail.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

irrelevant because u say so????? utterly silly, it is a fact you have not explained, please dont brush it off as irrelevant.

I already explained to you, but your too busy fanwanking to get it. Shinigami are spiritual beings and every attack they use rely's on reiatsu. Infact, there bodies are composed of spiritual energy because they are souls.

There sense's are irrelevant because souls do not exsist for us to make a comparison. So, why would it matter if they have sense?

Originally posted by leonheartmm

naruto shinobi use chakra for many physical attacks. or are you saying rock lee having opened 5 gates and unleashing primary lotus is not a PHYSICAL attack?????!!! your resoning is ridiculous. spiritual energy is used to incur IMPOSSIBILE "PHYSICAL" phenomenon. im not saying there arent attacks based entirely on spirits{tsukiyomi for one} but aizen's is not one of them. as it is explained now. i always thought it should be for the primary antagonist, but its clearly explained that its hypnotism in shikai form. also you have not explained even uptil now, how a shinigami can be BLIND? or be affected by an illusion that specifically targets ALL SENSES but "touch" because of which zaraki had to have himself impaled by his zanpakuto to break free of the PHYSICAL illusion. also why is it that the blind dude in his shikai attacks with SOUND, seeing as shinigami are just spirits and dont have physical hearing as you claim.

Rock lee is not composed of Spiritual energy like shinigami and having senses are irrelevant like I just explained. Souls are not real, and if the mangaka wants give them physical attributes he can because the concept of a soul is arbitary to whatever culture. Just because they do not fit your deluded pre concieved notion of a soul doesn't mean they are physical.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

right, right. they do not have bodies compatble for the real world. doesnt mean they are just SPIRITS. after all, even you must have noticed that shinigami GUIDE spirits. i know what your trying to say. but being a media, and us being humans, the creators can not possibly come up with an anime which shows pirits trancendant of mass, space, time or physical senses. the same as it is in yu yu hakusho. they are susceptibe to poison. they bleed when wounded. they are succeptible to sound. they have attacks which are gravity based. all these things point to a PARALLEL "PHYSICAL" reality. aizen's attack does not work on the soul. look at it, what happens if a shinigami DIES??? i mean theyr only souls after all, that shudnt be possible. yet shinigami do die, and they pass on, which means they are not simply the core/soul as you imply and no amount of stubborn restating will change that.

There are no such thing as spirits, and having physical attributes doesn't change their intrinsic value.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

yes it was, he was going all out, a full powered chidori without the cursed seal. the same as it was first time in the waterfall.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

i dont lie, you just make yourself believe i do if i cant produce a scan just that instant.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

when the HECK did i say that?!?!?!?! kishimoto said the NON filler "ANIME" episodes were cannon.

ive given you three lengthy pieces. he was conversing only with kakashi. he only targetted him. and remember, tsukiyomi is pernonally torturing ONE person. hell ask ANY1 around here if itachi was targetting just kakashi or the entire group or if tsukiyomi has ever been attempted on more than one person at a time. your the one not willing ot listen to any1 other than yourself. his eyes were shaded to give the impression of the negetive meotions he was fealing. the area and proportion of the shaded region give you a clue as to the eyes being open or clsoed.

Prove it

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Yes, they are composed of spirit energy and so is Soul Society. When Ishida was using his quincy powers to absorb the ambient spirit energy in Soul Society. The building's around the are began to dissolve, reason being was because they were composed of Spirit energy that ishida was abosrbing.

You fail.

I already explained to you, but your too busy fanwanking to get it. Shinigami are spiritual beings and every attack they use rely's on reiatsu. Infact, there bodies are composed of spiritual energy because they are souls.

There sense's are irrelevant because souls do not exsist for us to make a comparison. So, why would it matter if they have sense?

Rock lee is not composed of Spiritual energy like shinigami and having senses are irrelevant like I just explained. Souls are not real, and if the mangaka wants give them physical attributes he can because the concept of a soul is arbitary to whatever culture. Just because they do not fit your deluded pre concieved notion of a soul doesn't mean they are physical.

There are no such thing as spirits, and having physical attributes doesn't change their intrinsic value.

Doesn't matter, he did do damage eqqual to a mini-nuke with a regular chidori. He needed the curse seal to do that kind of damage.

I gave you asight for scans, and you claimed it doesn't work which is B.S. I know your lying, because using scans would destroy your assanine claimes.

Prove it

lol. those are exactly the statement to which each reply was tailor made. please do not play games with me and if your capable. keep your foul mouth to yourself. i understand your frustration{oh, SO ironic that you claim its ME thats fanwanking........as you put it 🙄 } but they are just cartoons.

you either can not read. or can not understand. stubborn restating has never made an argument any more true{or have we learnt nothing from all the whobs, jias and galactic storms that have graced kmc over the years?}. please go back and read what i wrote as reply to your previous statements and come up with any VALID critique of my points. until then, im not playing your silly circular cry baby games. 😛

and i find it oh so ironic that you still have not commented on the self destruction blast of diedara. which makes all your claims of bleach>naruto go down the gutter.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol. those are exactly the statement to which each reply was tailor made. please do not play games with me and if your capable. keep your foul mouth to yourself. i understand your frustration{oh, SO ironic that you claim its ME thats fanwanking........as you put it 🙄 } but they are just cartoons.

😆 What a hypocrite, you called me a crackhead right off the bat and now your trying to play innocent. If it was just cartoons then you would not have resorted to insults right off the bat.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

you either can not read. or can not understand. stubborn restating has never made an argument any more true{or have we learnt nothing from all the whobs, jias and galactic storms that have graced kmc over the years?}. please go back and read what i wrote as reply to your previous statements and come up with any VALID critique of my points. until then, im not playing your silly circular cry baby games. 😛

Nope, reading that crap once was enough.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and i find it oh so ironic that you still have not commented on the self destruction blast of diedara. which makes all your claims of bleach>naruto go down the gutter.

I don't care about your descriptions because you'll never post scans to back them up or resort to over hyping certain feats just to see your favorite characters win.

"laugh: What a hypocrite, you called me a crackhead right off the bat and now your trying to play innocent. If it was just cartoons then you would not have resorted to insults right off the bat."

its not my fault that you post replies so void of any logic at times to elicit such responses. i was referring to your stupidity/inability to see. it wasnt a vindictive attack at you personally.

"Nope, reading that crap once was enough."

says the man who cud not counter it in the least. really, the only one lying here is you. you never read it.

"I don't care about your descriptions because you'll never post scans to back them up or resort to over hyping certain feats just to see your favorite characters win."
because i do not have non shippuden chapters on my computer at the time. im assuming you do. check them out yourself. and i was referring ot the anime. which you obviously have not seen save a few episodes here and there.

oh and you STILL have not commented on the diedara kamakaze explosion which turns your entire argument to raw sewage.
suffice to assume that you do not plan on it 🙂 .

Originally posted by leonheartmm
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its not my fault that you post replies so void of any logic at times to elicit such responses. i was referring to your stupidity/inability to see. it wasnt a vindictive attack at you personally.
says the man who cud not counter it in the least. really, the only one lying here is you. you never read it.
because i do not have non shippuden chapters on my computer at the time. im assuming you do. check them out yourself. and i was referring ot the anime. which you obviously have not seen save a few episodes here and there.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
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oh and you STILL have not commented on the diedara kamakaze explosion which turns your entire argument to raw sewage.
suffice to assume that you do not plan on it 🙂 .

😆 It wasn't even directed to me and has nothing to do with mu argument. Deidara has nothing to do with Chidori and Itachi which is where the argument stems from. Also, Diedara's kamikaze explosion is not comparable Chidori.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Whatever man, that just show's how hyporcritical you are. Resorting to insults right off the bat when I disagree, but try to play it off cool when I give you a taste of your own medicine. You can't even prove a bulk of what your saying so I do not have to bother.

😆 It wasn't even directed to me and has nothing to do with mu argument. Itachi has nothing to do with Chidori and Itachi which is where the argument stems from. Also, Diedara's kamikaze explosion is not comparable Chidori.

hehe. dull restating of things that are not evem evidence. i have proven everything to any1 whose read the entire manga and watched the anime. your not one of those people.

lol, you have a habit of forgetting a line of argument. the diedara feat was explicitlt stated to compare the power levels of bleach characters vs naruto characters. you claimed that without a doubt bleach was superior in feats and nothing approached nuke power in naruto. both are utterly falsified by diedara's feat.

i wud attack shippuden files. i just tried to with the diedara feat. sadly downloads fromnaruto fan have each page at over 4 times the allowed space limit.

I never claimed that no one in naruto cannot come to the level of doing a nuke in damage. Besides, how does one character being able to perform a suicide attack that is nuke level translate to Naruto>Bleach?

Hell, the whole nuke damage debate was between you and mike.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i wud attack shippuden files. i just tried to with the diedara feat. sadly downloads fromnaruto fan have each page at over 4 times the allowed space limit.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns
Actually go to the site and stop lying.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns
Actually go to the site and stop lying.

and if it were proven from the scans on THIS site that i was not lying, would you admit your dungforbrains comments had nothing to do with objective truth and everything to do with inflating a malnourished ego? 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and if it were proven from the scans on THIS site that i was not lying, would you admit your dungforbrains comments had nothing to do with objective truth and everything to do with inflating a malnourished ego? 🙂

Sure, go ahead. 🙂

over 10 kilometre immediate blast radius confirmed. greater than any nuke ever used.

the blast. five times higher than it is wide. and dwarfing the largest metropolis in narutoverse.{its hard to spot in the small picture due to small filesize. but the entire ground area from the bottom left to the bottom/mid/right is a city full of higrises buildings. furthermore, the blast is a lot farther than it is and is a LOT larger still form that far perspective. proving its greater than any nuke tested as of yet.