The official Anime Vs anything thread

Originally posted by leonheartmm
id agree with dbz{ridiculous planet system destroying power} and yu yu hakusho{continent/planet destroying power} but ill have to disagree on the later ones. naruto is easily greater than bleach in just how much damage some high end feats dish out. ofcourse, bleach has that dislike of terrestrial mayhem and finer touch that naruto often lacks, but still damage/speed/feats, naruto is easily superior{i mean power wise, not really overall}. satan 666 is hard to place{i hope thats what ur referring to} i mean sure, people like cross are extremely powerful. but the full extent has yet to be shown. some o types are godly and huge{like that super ss airship} but then others are pathetically interesting.

Yeah, that's what I was talking about, although I could have used the dubbed title, "O-Parts Hunter".I coupled it with hunter x hunter because the majority of HxH characters would defeat satan characters, but then there are a few recipes that none of the HxH characters have a chance against,except one. I think the lowest shonen anime on the list would be shaman king.

lowest shounen anime. hmmm, probably rurourni kenshin or tenjou tenge or some characters of flame of recca. there was also some curious play and shadow skill characters. just how many of those are verifyably shounen, i cant really say. though not really part of jump though.

Okay, let me put this in perspective: Using only his shyunpo speed with his limiter on that restricted his power to 20%, Byakuya was able to approach Ichigo from a good 10 meters away, break his sword in half, and take the broken sword back to his original position so fast it looked to Ichigo as if Byakuya hadn't even moved. Ichigo already had superhuman speed at that point. Later when Ichigo reached Shikai mode and could use shyunpo, he could track Byakuya's shyunpo at 100% (no limiter) but still wasn't as fast. With bankai mode, Ichigo moved so fast Byakuya couldn't even react to him, and then he deflected the millions of blades of Byakuya's Senbonzakura Kageyoshi with his sword. Aizen stopped Ichigo's bankai charge with one finger and nearly cut him in half so fast Ichigo didn't even know what was going on.

Aizen kills everyone in the Narutoverse easily.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
now you realy seem like your on crack!

Funny, coming from an individual that types like a crack head.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

tsukiyomi has only been used a total of 3 times in the manga or anime. itwas never attempted to be used more than that. first time itachi used it against sasuke when he killed the entire uchiha clan. tsukiymi succeeded. second he used it against kakashi with his shaaringan eye open and normal eye closed, he succeeded. he never attempted to use it against gai, kurenai, or asuma. remember his eyes were twiching due to being drained by using it.

He aimed the attack right at Kakashi and the others were standing. Are you telling me that they would be fine if there eye's had remained opened?

Infact, why did they even close there eye's if it couldn't be avoided?

Originally posted by leonheartmm

it requires substantial endurance and chakra to use it. he never used it against the others{if you have a SINGLE scan which leads to the contrary, id be GLAD if u cud post it}.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume16.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33299

Originally posted by leonheartmm

the third time he used it against sasuke when he had him held up against the wall with naruto, kisam and jiraya in the backdrop in the inn. jiraya told sasuke to close his eyes, which he did, and he did not open them in any scan or panel. and yet he was still targetted and succesfully attacked by tsukiyomi. all other feats of itachi are non tsukiyomi genjutsu. there has never been a single genjutsu that he cast and it failed. after time skip. itachi clone made it clear that since he was controlling a host body. he cudnt use his mangekyo shaaringan. still, naruto was not looking at him and facing the ground and his normal genjutsus still succeeded against naruto. and this was the clone remember. even naruto's stopping chakra circulation trick did not work against the genjutsu before kakashi forcefully dispelled it.

His eye's seem open to me:

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume17.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33009

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume17.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33010

Originally posted by leonheartmm

again, id like to see scans that substantiate your claim of ANY genjutsu itachi casting and failing. oh n btw, naruto>>>>>>bleach. ive read the both to the latest chapters and seen till the latest episodes and not one feat of bleach is present which isnt countered by a greater feat from naruto.

itachi wins.

Pfft, I've read the latest chapters of bleach and enough of naruto to know the opposite holds true.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Okay, let me put this in perspective: Using only his shyunpo speed with his limiter on that restricted his power to 20%, Byakuya was able to approach Ichigo from a good 10 meters away, break his sword in half, and take the broken sword back to his original position so fast it looked to Ichigo as if Byakuya hadn't even moved. Ichigo already had superhuman speed at that point. Later when Ichigo reached Shikai mode and could use shyunpo, he could track Byakuya's shyunpo at 100% (no limiter) but still wasn't as fast. With bankai mode, Ichigo moved so fast Byakuya couldn't even react to him, and then he deflected the millions of blades of Byakuya's Senbonzakura Kageyoshi with his sword. Aizen stopped Ichigo's bankai charge with one finger and nearly cut him in half so fast Ichigo didn't even know what was going on.

Aizen kills everyone in the Narutoverse easily.

let me put this in perspective. hidan and kakuzu, who had just killed asume and gotten weary of the situation, moved instantaneouly from the mountaineous place to the bijuu sealing ceremony while leaving only tufts of smoke. zombie twins kill aizen. i CUD elaborate on every spead feat from the start of the series but what the use. seeing as you didnt read any of the previous posts and hwat they stated, its no use. lol, oh yeah, if you wanna play that game then naruto does have a couple which alone put naruto characters beyon aizen even before the chuunin exam arc. even 2/1 dotted shaaringan user sasuke was able to deflect and attack haku in the demonnic ice mirrors in which he was OFFICIALLY moving at the speed of a reflection, in other words, LIGHTSPEED. and a primary shaaringan user was able to react to that in that tiny space and launch a counter attack before he could travel the few metres from one mirror to the next. lol, too bad byakuya, lightspeed stumps everything. and that was in the beginning of the series. see, if i start taking high end feats like you and stop looking at the intention behind them, id come up with a non fallacious character so powerful, no bleach plot device technique will come close to stopping them.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hypnosis. LMAO, sounds a whole lot weaker than targetting ones souls or controlling all senses or telepathically ENTERING ones soul and supressing the power of a bijuu. speed, body flicker is as great as flash step if not faster.

First of all, the Shinigami in bleach are living souls. So, Aizen's hypnosis is not physical attack, but a spiritual one.

Second, Aizen can create illusions indefinetely with his Zanpaktou and create mass hallucinations that effect everyone that witnesses them.

He was able to hypnotize the entire Soul Society.

Third, Aizen has an easier time using Kyoka Suigetsu compared to Itachi with Tsukiyomi. Plus, he can do it for far longer.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

amaterasu has been used against jiraya's ultimate technique and burnt through the stomach of a mystical fire breathing jiant frog. the flames are hotter than the core of the sun and burn for a whole week.

Scan please.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

i mean the weak chidori that tore right through gaara's ultimate defeace and when it collided with raasengan, resulted in a shockwave parallel to a mini nuke, sending shocks through the entire giant lake and creating waves larger than 4 stories high.

Bullshit, Gaara's "Ultimate Defense" is nothing more than thick batch of sand. Also, the Chidori that collided with Naruto's rasengan was used by Sasuke when he utilisized at full power of the curse.

Mininuke my foot , the blast was a collision of two respective powers and not just Sharingan. A cero can do more damage than that.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

it can give insight into anything. jutsu, surrounding, the soul, the future, elements, chakra, intent etc.

Is that all. 😆

Originally posted by leonheartmm

tails have no feats, your absoluteky right, other than destroying mountains with wingle attacks, releaing tsunami's with a singlke tworl of the tails, levelling areas the size of small cities with a single wind/earth attack and generally never even showing their strength. and still having the entire akatsuki desperately after them. 🙄

That was Kyuubi, not all the tail beast. Also, are you saying that itachi can stand up to the full power of Kyuubi?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
😆

Funny, coming from an individual that types like a crack head.

He aimed the attack right at Kakashi and the others were standing. Are you telling me that they would be fine if there eye's had remained opened?

Infact, why did they even close there eye's if it couldn't be avoided?

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume16.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33298

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume16.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33299

His eye's seem open to me:

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume17.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33009

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume17.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33010

Pfft, I've read the latest chapters of bleach and enough of naruto to know the opposite holds true.

your links do not work monsiuer. im telling you that if he targetted them, they would be under genjutsu too, reguardless of eyes closed or open. problem is, he didnt come to START A WAR or spen time waiting for reinforcement. nor doe he use tsukiyomi on bugs. kakashi was mistaken, as he was mistaken about his shaaringan being able to counter itachi's genjutsu. its that simple, they didnt know. and tsukiyomi is a one character jenjutsu. infact im not aware of any genjutsu other than complete darkness{second hokage} which works on more than one person at the same time in the same attack.

and since i cant see the scan whose eyes are you talking about? sasuke's? they were closed when pinned to the wall. and naruto was looking down not looking into the shaaringan.

and well, to each his own. you prefer bleach. actually these days i prefer bleach too for certain things. but i know damn well that in a brawl or fight, bleach characters have no chance against naruto characters, the stronger ones. its just that bleach has an overall larger PERCENTAGE of character, specially villians who possess enormous power. in naruto it is only for a fair few. thats why bleach can sometimes seem overpowered, it also has to do with how they draw which gives more of an affect. heck read tenjou tenge, the drawing make action seem so intense it seems kick ass, before u actually look back and see, oh, not even the room was destroyed. most bleach characters would still beat naruto, simply because he has as yet, no real way to counter speed. but other characters can counter flash step speed and have their own compareable speeed to boast.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
your links do not work monsiuer. im telling you that if he targetted them, they would be under genjutsu too, reguardless of eyes closed or open. problem is, he didnt come to START A WAR or spen time waiting for reinforcement. nor doe he use tsukiyomi on bugs. kakashi was mistaken, as he was mistaken about his shaaringan being able to counter itachi's genjutsu. its that simple, they didnt know.

The links work fine. . .

Why would he only target Kakashi if he' was engaging them all?
Infact, what evidence do you have to support the claim that he was aiming for only Kakashi? 😕

You claimed the attack is unavoidable, I'm waiting for evidence of that claim. Because, Sasuke did not close his eye's during the attack and was still caught by the Genjutsu.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and tsukiyomi is a one character jenjutsu. infact im not aware of any genjutsu other than complete darkness{second hokage} which works on more than one person at the same time in the same attack.

Which is why Kakashi (who seemed to be familiar with technique) told everyone to shut their eye's.

Btw, Kyoka Suigetsu hypnotisizes everyone.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and since i cant see the scan whose eyes are you talking about? sasuke's? they were closed when pinned to the wall. and naruto was looking down not looking into the shaaringan.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and well, to each his own. you prefer bleach. actually these days i prefer bleach too for certain things. but i know damn well that in a brawl or fight, bleach characters have no chance against naruto characters, the stronger ones. its just that bleach has an overall larger PERCENTAGE of character, specially villians who possess enormous power. in naruto it is only for a fair few. thats why bleach can sometimes seem overpowered, it also has to do with how they draw which gives more of an affect. heck read tenjou tenge, the drawing make action seem so intense it seems kick ass, before u actually look back and see, oh, not even the room was destroyed. most bleach characters would still beat naruto, simply because he has as yet, no real way to counter speed. but other characters can counter flash step speed and have their own compareable speeed to boast.

Bleach is alright, I read it moderately because it has some intresting plot twist. I detest naruto, which is why I stopped reading it.

My favorite Shonen manga is One Piece.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
First of all, the Shinigami in bleach are living souls. So, Aizen's hypnosis is not physical attack, but a spiritual one.

Second, Aizen can create illusions indefinetely with his Zanpaktou and create mass hallucinations that effect everyone that witnesses them.

He was able to hypnotize the entire Soul Society.

Third, Aizen has an easier time using Kyoka Suigetsu compared to Itachi with Tsukiyomi. Plus, he can do it for far longer.

Scan please.

Bullshit, Gaara's "Ultimate Defense" is nothing more than thick batch of sand. Also, the Chidori that collided with Naruto's rasengan was used by Sasuke when he utilisized at full power of the curse.

Mininuke my foot , the blast was a collision of two respective powers and not just Sharingan. A cero can do more damage than that.

Is that all. 😆

That was Kyuubi, not all the tail beast. Also, are you saying that itachi can stand up to the full power of Kyuubi?

lol. its specifically stated that his attacks are a HYPNOTISM/HALLUCINATION, which by its ver definition is physical. furthermore it is given that he targets all the senses with it,again, not spiritual but physical. that is why the dude without eyesight can counter the affects. if it was spiritual the PHYSICAL impairment would be of no use duh. i agree on the mass thing but thats no use, its a one on one fight. and esier time maybe, but its a far inferior technique. and as far as TIME goes, lol. maybe you dont know as much about tsukiyomi, but each second passed in tsukiyomi equals 72 hours or three days depending on itachi's choice. he can keep it uf for a few minutes even. and yet in that time literally months upon months would have passed for the victim. plus aizen's HALLUCINATIONS dont have the negetive affects on the coul like tsukiyomi, which just for 2 or three seconds will get you bedridden for weeks.

and why are you asking for a scan of such a bleeedingly obvious feat{i dont have one on me since pre time skip, i used to buy shounen jump as opposed to download manga and i cant find that specifif 10 sets of issues yet} when itachi had tsukiyomi's sasuke, jiraya summons the toad stomach, his ultimate technique which no1 had ever escaped from. the tentachles inside ruch towards the bewildered kisame who slices some while itachi runs and showing his mangekyo shaaringan, unleashes amaterasu which burns through the frogstomach's side. and jiraya rushes to see what happened. naruto follows and he tell him to stay away from the burning black flames and explains how its a fire breathing/eating frog stomach from the giant frog rockk inn and it cudnt be damaged by fire. and then has to write a special fire sealing scroll to collect and confine the black flames. honestly how coul you have SEEN thee entire series/read the entire manga and missed that 😕 😕 😕 .

gaara's ultimate defence has stood up to diedara's c-2 which created a blast to destroy the entire sand village. it has also taken an assault from kimimaru and prtects him from all physical attacks. raikiri pierced through it like butter.

im referring to the blast before the first time chidori and raasengan clashed. under the waterfall. no curse seal no kyuubi chakra. and THAT created the waves and shockwave which disrupted the entire giant lake. no normal cero blast has created a shockwave that big, sorry.

nope thats not all, you didnt reply to my previous posts major parts. just fanboyish rants.

and no, i wasnt just referring to the kyuubi{who is also a tailed beast nonetheless} i was referring to shukaku who in his fully awakened form was sending wind attacks large enough, each, to level areas the size of large villages{human villages, not shinobi villages which are each nearly as large as a normal city}.

id also like to add that we are talking about pre time skipp pre kyuubi/curse seal naruto and sasuke. needless to say, they are HELLUVA LOT STRONGER NOW. so no. itachi kills aizen. neither have revealed their full power but from what has been revealed, aizen dies.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol. its specifically stated that his attacks are a HYPNOTISM/HALLUCINATION, which by its ver definition is physical. furthermore it is given that he targets all the senses with it,again, not spiritual but physical

That's nice, but the attack clearly effects shinigami which are not physical. The definition is irrelevant to the what the attack is clearly doing.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

furthermore it is given that he targets all the senses with it,again, not spiritual but physical. that is why the dude without eyesight can counter the affects. if it was spiritual the PHYSICAL impairment would be of no use duh.

That logic makes no sense considering that Shinigami senses are not similiar to that of a human.

Shinigami can see things humans cannot, and they are not even human to begin with.

Also, how could it create illusions on an individual who cannot see?

Tsukiyomi is just as limited if not more so, I'm still waiting for the evidence that the attack is unavoidable.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

i agree on the mass thing but thats no use, its a one on one fight. and esier time maybe, but its a far inferior technique. and as far as TIME goes, lol. maybe you dont know as much about tsukiyomi, but each second passed in tsukiyomi equals 72 hours or three days depending on itachi's choice. he can keep it uf for a few minutes even. and yet in that time literally months upon months would have passed for the victim. plus aizen's HALLUCINATIONS dont have the negetive affects on the coul like tsukiyomi, which just for 2 or three seconds will get you bedridden for weeks.

We do not know the limits of the Kyoko Suigetsu, but judging from it's effect it had on soul Society it is far more superior in terms of range and effect. Itachi cannot cause indefinite hallucinations or effect multiple opponents for that long.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and why are you asking for a scan of such a bleeedingly obvious feat{i dont have one on me since pre time skip, i used to buy shounen jump as opposed to download manga and i cant find that specifif 10 sets of issues yet} when itachi had tsukiyomi's sasuke, jiraya summons the toad stomach, his ultimate technique which no1 had ever escaped from. the tentachles inside ruch towards the bewildered kisame who slices some while itachi runs and showing his mangekyo shaaringan, unleashes amaterasu which burns through the frogstomach's side. and jiraya rushes to see what happened. naruto follows and he tell him to stay away from the burning black flames and explains how its a fire breathing/eating frog stomach from the giant frog rockk inn and it cudnt be damaged by fire. and then has to write a special fire sealing scroll to collect and confine the black flames. honestly how coul you have SEEN thee entire series/read the entire manga and missed that 😕 😕 😕 .

I never said I saw the entire series, I stop reading it. Why would I want to remember an event from a manga I dislike?

If you do not have the scan, then tell me the chapter so I can check it out.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

gaara's ultimate defence has stood up to diedara's c-2 which created a blast to destroy the entire sand village. it has also taken an assault from kimimaru and prtects him from all physical attacks. raikiri pierced through it like butter.

That was his Post-Time skip sheild, and still no match for Cero.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

im referring to the blast before the first time chidori and raasengan clashed. under the waterfall. no curse seal no kyuubi chakra. and THAT created the waves and shockwave which disrupted the entire giant lake. no normal cero blast has created a shockwave that big, sorry.

I know what your reffering to and your wrong. You rely on overhyping feats for naruto just to make a case. Did Sasuke hit itachi with that Chidori, because said attack was done when he utilisized his curse seal power.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

nope thats not all, you didnt reply to my previous posts major parts. just fanboyish rants.

and no, i wasnt just referring to the kyuubi{who is also a tailed beast nonetheless} i was referring to shukaku who in his fully awakened form was sending wind attacks large enough, each, to level areas the size of large villages{human villages, not shinobi villages which are each nearly as large as a normal city}.

id also like to add that we are talking about pre time skipp pre kyuubi/curse seal naruto and sasuke. needless to say, they are HELLUVA LOT STRONGER NOW. so no. itachi kills aizen. neither have revealed their full power but from what has been revealed, aizen dies.

I don't even like bleach for me to be a fanboy, and I'm not ranting.
I'm not the one who rely's on dubious logic to debate.

Your comparing a village to a ciity, and when did Shukaku do such a feat?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The links work fine. . .

Why would he only target Kakashi if he' was engaging them all?
Infact, what evidence do you have to support the claim that he was aiming for only Kakashi? 😕

You claimed the attack is unavoidable, I'm waiting for evidence of that claim. Because, Sasuke did not close his eye's during the attack and was still caught by the Genjutsu.

Which is why Kakashi (who seemed to be familiar with technique) told everyone to shut their eye's.

Btw, Kyoka Suigetsu hypnotisizes everyone.

what evidence do i have to support the claim?!?!?! since your being this ridiculous lets take a trip through memory lane and try and remember he convo they were having.

itachi was calmly standing there, telling them to avoid conflict. and talking to kakashi, who had told the others to shut their eyes since only his shaaringan eye could stand upto itachi. itachi referred to HIM and said, "just because you have the shaaringan, doesnt make you an uchiha" kakashi said to himself"its true, i cant control the shaaringan as well as a true uchiha, this is the worst situation we could hope to be in". itachi then said"now i will show you my ultimate genjutsu that cant be countered{even by you}, tsukiyomi. he says the words{referring to kakashi} and kakashi is caught in it. itachi then refers to HIM and says, "tsukiyomi, the world of the moon goddess, its an illucion wrapped in layers of pain. now you will suffer for 3 days and 3 nights" after which he personally makes him suffer for the time. WHAT PART OF THIS ENTIRE TRANSACTION MAKES YOU FEAL LIKE ITACHI WAS REFERRING TO ANY1 OTHER THAN KAKASHI???? he was targetting ONLY kakashi. and i doubt tsukiyomi works on groups. by its very nature, the doujutsu attacks one person and the attackers PERSONALLY interactzs with them. genjutsu generally only work on one person except for a few. or if you are looking at illusions like shadow clone etc.

and are you really so thick? that scan is from AFTER tsukiyomi affected sasuke. see the streaking lines around his face where the eyes are open, they signify speed and falling into dimension. hes shocked, by being hit by the technique and just like in any such intencse scenes, he opens his eyes due to shock. its AFTER he is hit by tsukiyomi, NOT before. or do u think jiraya's pleas to close his eyes were just falling on silly deaf ears????

i know aizen's technique hypnotizes every1 but that doesnt matter, its nothing to mangekyo shaaringan user.

kakashi was familiar with NORMAL shaaringan genjutsu. the type he used to make zabuza believe he knew the future and the type he used against gai. the type sasuke used recently against diedara. there is a whole bunch of difference between normal shaaringan genjutsu and mangekyo tsukiyomi. kakashi's knowledge told him that his shaaringan eye can see through other shaaringan genjustu which normal humans cant. that why he closed his right eye and told asuma and kurenai to close theirs too. well guess what, he was WRONG, thas enoughevidence to tell that he did not know of the technique.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
what evidence do i have to support the claim?!?!?! since your being this ridiculous lets take a trip through memory lane and try and remember he convo they were having.

itachi was calmly standing there, telling them to avoid conflict. and talking to kakashi, who had told the others to shut their eyes since only his shaaringan eye could stand upto itachi. itachi referred to HIM and said, "just because you have the shaaringan, doesnt make you an uchiha" kakashi said to himself"its true, i cant control the shaaringan as well as a true uchiha, this is the worst situation we could hope to be in". itachi then said"now i will show you my ultimate genjutsu that cant be countered{even by you}, tsukiyomi. he says the words{referring to kakashi} and kakashi is caught in it. itachi then refers to HIM and says, "tsukiyomi, the world of the moon goddess, its an illucion wrapped in layers of pain. now you will suffer for 3 days and 3 nights" after which he personally makes him suffer for the time. WHAT PART OF THIS ENTIRE TRANSACTION MAKES YOU FEAL LIKE ITACHI WAS REFERRING TO ANY1 OTHER THAN KAKASHI???? he was targetting ONLY kakashi. and i doubt tsukiyomi works on groups. by its very nature, the doujutsu attacks one person and the attackers PERSONALLY interactzs with them. genjutsu generally only work on one person except for a few. or if you are looking at illusions like shadow clone etc.

What does that have to do with them closing their eye's?

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and are you really so thick? that scan is from AFTER tsukiyomi affected sasuke. see the streaking lines around his face where the eyes are open, they signify speed and falling into dimension. hes shocked, by being hit by the technique and just like in any such intencse scenes, he opens his eyes due to shock. its AFTER he is hit by tsukiyomi, NOT before. or do u think jiraya's pleas to close his eyes were just falling on silly deaf ears????

He never closed his eye's, and I'm still wating for you to prove it. Infact, I can easily scan it again, but I know you did not link to the site.

This time actually look at the scan, because I'm not taking your word for it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

i know aizen's technique hypnotizes every1 but that doesnt matter, its nothing to mangekyo shaaringan user.

kakashi was familiar with NORMAL shaaringan genjutsu. the type he used to make zabuza believe he knew the future and the type he used against gai. the type sasuke used recently against diedara. there is a whole bunch of difference between normal shaaringan genjutsu and mangekyo tsukiyomi. kakashi's knowledge told him that his shaaringan eye can see through other shaaringan genjustu which normal humans cant. that why he closed his right eye and told asuma and kurenai to close theirs too. well guess what, he was WRONG, thas enoughevidence to tell that he did not know of the technique.

Blah,Blah, Blah, I don't need an explanation of the attack. I just need proof from you to substaniate your claim that it cannot be avoided.

Where are his eye's closed

"That's nice, but the attack clearly effects shinigami which are not physical. The definition is irrelevant to the what the attack is clearly doing. "

wrong, in the soul society, shinigami are as physical as humans are in the real world. the attack would not be any different in the real world. it is you who is coming at unfounded conclusions that hype up characters and are contrary to official facts.

"That logic makes no sense considering that Shinigami senses are not similiar to that of a human."

they are in the soul society. and the attack specifically targets the SENSES. your reading too much into things, writers dont think so much. just like an illusion on inuyasha wont be much different in the mystical god world or the real world. it shud be, but its the same.

"Shinigami can see things humans cannot, and they are not even human to begin with."
but in the soul society, they still have ears, skin, tongues and eyes. they certainly use these reguardless of world. and the only other sense is using their spirit energy to locate people. thats a specially high levelled feat for captains, and doesnt register as normal senses. again, if what your saying is true than why would a blind person be immune to the affect, think about it.

"Also, how could it create illusions on an individual who cannot see?"
EXACTLY my point. so you do admit its physcial senses it targets dont you. since blindless is concerned with sight and that is a human sense, shinigami rely on it ust as much so your old point is mute.

"Tsukiyomi is just as limited if not more so, I'm still waiting for the evidence that the attack is unavoidable."

itachi claims it, it was able to be effective against a shaaringan user and a person with closed eyes. there has yet to be an instant of the attack having failed on an enemy.

"We do not know the limits of the Kyoko Suigetsu, but judging from it's effect it had on soul Society it is far more superior in terms of range and effect. Itachi cannot cause indefinite hallucinations or effect multiple opponents for that long."
he does not need to. in tsukiymo, each second lasts for 2-4 days. range? no, no reason to believe that. effect, no tsukiymo is far superior. the only advantage is multiple persons affect, which is insignificant in a one on one fight.

"I never said I saw the entire series, I stop reading it. Why would I want to remember an event from a manga I dislike?"
that would explain why ur so rusty. i have though and i like it, the anime more than the manga, biut still i read the manga as it comes out first.

"If you do not have the scan, then tell me the chapter so I can check it out."
dont remember, illl look it up. it was just a little pages fater the scan you posted of sasuke being tsukiyomid in the hotel . its easier to discern in the anime.

"That was his Post-Time skip sheild, and still no match for Cero."

are you saying a single cero blast creates a direct blast wave in itself large enough to engulf a city????? or have the power to destroy a city in a single blast?????? i dont think so. there are no feats like that in bleach.

"I know what your reffering to and your wrong. You rely on overhyping feats for naruto just to make a case. Did Sasuke hit itachi with that Chidori, because said attack was done when he utilisized his curse seal power."

no you DONT know what im referring to . sasuke used chidori three times in that fight, your referring to second{curse mark one} and third{curse mark 2} . the first time when the shockwaves formed, it was normal sasuke and normal naruto. no cursed seal. theres no hype in that, its fact.

"I don't even like bleach for me to be a fanboy, and I'm not ranting.
I'm not the one who rely's on dubious logic to debate."
the irony. and it sure doesnt SEEM like you dislike bleach.

"Your comparing a village to a ciity, and when did Shukaku do such a feat? "

the one and only time he was out. against gamabunta. the blasts that were issuing from his mouth were wind elemental and they were clearing up forested area and leaving creaters atleast five time the size of gamabunta on four legs. honestly which WORLD are you living in.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What does that have to do with them closing their eye's?

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He never had his eye's closed, not once. The second scan I posted shows that before he activates tsukiyomi [B]His eye's were open.

He never closed his eye's, and I'm still wating for you to prove it. Infact, I can easily scan it again, but I know you did not link to the site.

This time actually look at the scan, because I'm not taking your word for it.

Blah,Blah, Blah, I don't need an explanation of the attack. I just need proof from you to substaniate your claim that it cannot be avoided. [/B]

your forgetting your own statement. you asked me to substantiate the claim that itachi was not attacking the others at the same time as kakashi. i did. try to form coeherent thoughts, please.

look at the image in the lowest right corner. tell me, are his eyes open or closed 😎 😎 . i did give you proof. itachi said so. it wasnt avoided by a shaaringan user and a close eyes shaaringan user. it has neever failed on an itended person. it undispellable.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
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wrong, in the soul society, shinigami are as physical as humans are in the real world. the attack would not be any different in the real world. it is you who is coming at unfounded conclusions that hype up characters and are contrary to official facts.

That's entirely irrelevant, since they do not have senses like a human and are not human in the first place. There appearence does not dictate what they are, and Souls in Bleach react in the sameway. Are you telling me that the souls in Bleach are not souls because they do not act like you pre-conscieved notion of a soul?

Originally posted by leonheartmm

they are in the soul society. and the attack specifically targets the SENSES. your reading too much into things, writers dont think so much. just like an illusion on inuyasha wont be much different in the mystical god world or the real world. it shud be, but its the same.

The sense of the Soul since Shingami are not physical. It's already been proven that the sense's of a Shingami are not relative to that of a human. Infact, they do not even have the same type of spirit thread.

I do not care if they have sense, they are still souls. With that logic i can say that Tsukoyomi can not effect Aizen due to the lack of chakra.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

but in the soul society, they still have ears, skin, tongues and eyes. they certainly use these reguardless of world. and the only other sense is using their spirit energy to locate people. thats a specially high levelled feat for captains, and doesnt register as normal senses. again, if what your saying is true than why would a blind person be immune to the affect, think about it.

Who cares if the they have human body parts, nevermind that not all of do E.G. Komamura Sajin

They are still spiritual being's, and Aizen hypnotism effects them.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

EXACTLY my point. so you do admit its physcial senses it targets dont you. since blindless is concerned with sight and that is a human sense, shinigami rely on it ust as much so your old point is mute.

The word is "moot"

And, the senses are not physical. You haven't offered a reasonable counter to suggest they are. You just proped definitions and ridiculous logic.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

itachi claims it, it was able to be effective against a shaaringan user and a person with closed eyes. there has yet to be an instant of the attack having failed on an enemy.

Scan please.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

he does not need to. in tsukiymo, each second lasts for 2-4 days. range? no, no reason to believe that. effect, no tsukiymo is far superior. the only advantage is multiple persons affect, which is insignificant in a one on one fight.

I'll give you that the effect is far more potent, but what's the point if the effect is limited in real time?

Originally posted by leonheartmm

that would explain why ur so rusty. i have though and i like it, the anime more than the manga, biut still i read the manga as it comes out first.

Then post scans, because I'm not taking your word.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

dont remember, illl look it up. it was just a little pages fater the scan you posted of sasuke being tsukiyomid in the hotel . its easier to discern in the anime..

Originally posted by leonheartmm

are you saying a single cero blast creates a direct blast wave in itself large enough to engulf a city????? or have the power to destroy a city in a single blast?????? i dont think so. there are no feats like that in bleach.

I never claimed that and what does city busting have to do with this?

Chidori cannot bust a city as well, but you compared it to a mini-nuke.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

no you DONT know what im referring to . sasuke used chidori three times in that fight, your referring to second{curse mark one} and third{curse mark 2} . the first time when the shockwaves formed, it was normal sasuke and normal naruto. no cursed seal. theres no hype in that, its fact.

Scan.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

the one and only time he was out. against gamabunta. the blasts that were issuing from his mouth were wind elemental and they were clearing up forested area and leaving creaters atleast five time the size of gamabunta on four legs. honestly which WORLD are you living in.

Scan

Originally posted by leonheartmm
your forgetting your own statement. you asked me to substantiate the claim that itachi was not attacking the others at the same time as kakashi. i did. try to form coeherent thoughts, please.

I'm still waiting for the answer, and speaking of incoherent things your spelling is awful.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

look at the image in the lowest right corner. tell me, are his eyes open or closed 😎 😎 .

His eye's are shaded, and where does Jyaraia tell him to close his eye's like you claimed?

now, your really just arguing for the sake of arguing. you forget everything i post and start anew, its OFFICIALLY stated that aizen targets the senses. i gave enough evidence which u seem to brush aside. case CLOSED. really all the points about chidori being a mini nuke are answered if you only READ. or am i to assume you memory is so terrible that you forget th resulting shockwave from normal chidori/raasengan was enough to churn the entire lake. i dont htink it is and your just playing word twisting games. i do not have older scans right now but this is established stuff your asking for. his eyes are closed. not blurred, its too small to be a blurring of open eyes. the anime IS cannon. as cannon as the manga. only the FILLERS are not cannon. kishimoto himself said he could elaborate more in the anime. jiraya tells him just before itachi pounces on him. as far as itachi not attacking others. i gave you the whole EXCHANGE, actions and word. there is everything there to suggest it was directed only towards itachi. yet u wont listen to that.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
now, your really just arguing for the sake of arguing. you forget everything i post and start anew, its OFFICIALLY stated that aizen targets the senses.

That's nice, but the attack is still a spiritual attack regardless of how it attacks. You've ignored that multiple times simply to make a case. Shinigami are souls, and the attack affected Shingami. Therefore, the attack can affect souls.

Case Closed

Originally posted by leonheartmm

i gave enough evidence which u seem to brush aside. case CLOSED. really all the points about chidori being a mini nuke are answered if you only READ. or am i to assume you memory is so terrible that you forget th resulting shockwave from normal chidori/raasengan was enough to churn the entire lake.

I read your horribly typed points and they are inherently misleading. Your comparing Chidori to a Mini-Nuke in order to make it seem like Itachi can survive that form of damage which is sad. The Chidori that Sasuke used on Itachi was not as powerful as the Chidori used against Naruto, Sasuke was using his curse seal, and it was the collision of Rasengan & Chidori at full power that caused said explosion.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

i dont htink it is and your just playing word twisting games. i do not have older scans right now but this is established stuff your asking for.

Right,right, so, you should be able to prove it then.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

his eyes are closed. not blurred, its too small to be a blurring of open eyes.jiraya tells him just before itachi pounces on him. as far as itachi not attacking others.

No, they are not and you claimed he was told to close his eye's by Jyraia. I'm waiting for the proof of this, because I know that is a false claim which is why I will not take your word on events. Where is he told to close his eye's by Jyraia, prove it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

the anime IS cannon. as cannon as the manga. only the FILLERS are not cannon. kishimoto himself said he could elaborate more in the anime.

i gave you the whole EXCHANGE, actions and word. there is everything there to suggest it was directed only towards itachi. yet u wont listen to that.

Again, I will not take your word. You've proven that I should not by lying about an event that took place E.G. Sasuke being told to close his eye's by Jyraia.

Post scans or tell me whcihc chapter an event happened, becuase your "word" is no longer good enough.