Originally posted by Mr Master
I think I'll take Eternity's word on that one.
If we have to take it as gospel from Enternity, that the Celestials are the embodiment of the power of a galaxy, it is fair to say that we can except the word of John Bryner, (the creator of Galactus), that G is the embodiment of the power of an entire universe.
Again, Galactus wins.
Originally posted by HorrificusWhat the hell? Who is John Bryner? I'll assume you mean John Byrne...and no, he did NOT create Galactus. He was created by Stan Lee and the late great Jack Kirby.
If we have to take it as gospel from Enternity, that the Celestials are the embodiment of the power of a galaxy, it is fair to say that we can except the word of John Bryner, (the creator of Galactus), that G is the embodiment of the power of an entire universe.Again, Galactus wins.
And Exitar is 20,000-feet...look it up.
Originally posted by Lord S
What the hell? Who is John Bryner? I'll assume you mean John Byrne...and no, he did NOT create Galactus. He was created by Stan Lee and the late great Jack Kirby.And Exitar is 20,000-feet...look it up.
Yeah, Byrne. My bad.
Anyway, Galactus, is as I said, made up of enough power to begin his own universe, as stated by John Byrne.
Stan Lee's idea of G was that he was God. He wanted the FF to fight God. That was why he was created.
He is an equal to Enternity at full power, even if he has also had weak showings.
No matter how tall Exitar is supposed to be, he has never show the kind of power that Galactus has. Nor has ANY Celestial.
That really is all there is to it. We aren't guessing here, based on height.
According to feats and statements, Galactus is THE power here. Until you show something that says otherwise.
And, just as an FYI, Exitar does not even destroy planets. He basically cleans them off, and transports the inhabitants.
But, yes, he is big. Ok?
Originally posted by HorrificusSee here's the thing about writer statements and opinions...they're not worth a damn. John Byrne can state whatever he wants, but it means nothing. He doesn't write FF anymore, and his opinions are dated. A lot of Galactus' origin has been retconned with the appearances of Aegis and Tenebrous, and Keith Giffen is the man now in the forefront.
Yeah, Byrne. My bad.
Anyway, Galactus, is as I said, made up of enough power to begin his own universe, as stated by John Byrne.
Stan Lee's idea of G was that he was God. He wanted the FF to fight God. That was why he was created.Well he didn't exactly turn out to be 'God' now did he? Again, you have to look at today's continuity, not what he was intended to be back in the 60s. Today he's become Marvel's cosmic whipping boy.
He is an equal to Enternity at full powerAnd this has been proven where?
No matter how tall Exitar is supposed to be, he has never show the kind of power that Galactus has. Nor has ANY Celestial.Oh really? You do know that Celestials can destroy planets with a gesture, right? Not to mention they have radical reality warping powers beyond those of cosmic cubes.
That really is all there is to it. We aren't guessing here, based on height.Well there's plenty of guesswork coming from your side as well. You haven't shown any proof of his superiority over Celestials, either. The truth is there's no evidence that clearly proves or disproves either view...especially given the fact that we've never seen the full extent of both Galactus and the Celestials' powers.
According to feats and statements, Galactus is THE power here. Until you show something that says otherwise.
And, just as an FYI, Exitar does not even destroy planets. He basically cleans them off, and transports the inhabitants.But as mentioned above, Celestials can destroy planets, with relative ease, if they choose to do so. Exitar doesn't do this because it's not his role in the Fourth Host...but if he wanted to he can easily do it.
But, yes, he is big. Ok?
Dude, everything I wrote was based on writer comments, (which DO matter, whether you want them to or not), and actual occurrences. Things that really happened in the books.
You telling me that you don't want to agree with writers, and that the Celestials CAN do certain things if they wanted, (even though they haven't actually done them), holds no water.
I know what you are trying to say, but it is ALL based on your opinion. I actually used statements from creators and feats in books.
Originally posted by HorrificusNo it's not ALL based on my opinion...you're trying to tell me that Celestials can't destroy planets, even when they have been shown to do so?
Dude, everything I wrote was based on writer comments, (which DO matter, whether you want them to or not), and actual occurrences. Things that really happened in the books.You telling me that you don't want to agree with writers, and that the Celestials CAN do certain things if they wanted, (even though they haven't actually done them), holds no water.
I know what you are trying to say, but it is ALL based on your opinion. I actually used statements from creators and feats in books.
Creator statements do matter, but are only relevant when that creator is writing that particular character. Writers don't retain creative control over a character when they leave the book...so if what they had envisioned for the character, (ie. Byrnes' statements of him one day creating his own universe), doesn't come into fruition while they are still writing the character, then those statements lose their potency and become writer opinion. You don't go back 20 years or 40 years and cite what a writer, who has no current influence or control over a character, has said and try to present it as evidence in a debate. That's just nonsense.
I don't know if you're keeping up with 'Annihilation' or not, but Galactus' history is being retconned as we speak with the addition of two more survivors from the previous universe, Aegis and Tenebrous, indicating a change in direction and a diminishing of Galactus' importance in the universe. Keith Giffen's 'vision' for the character is what matters today...and while we don't know the full story yet, what we do know is that it supercedes the old.
I don't know if you're keeping up with 'Annihilation' or not, but Galactus' history is being retconned as we speak with the addition of two more survivors from the previous universe, Aegis and Tenebrous, indicating a change in direction and a diminishing of Galactus' importance in the universe. Keith Giffen's 'vision' for the character is what matters today...and while we don't know the full story yet, what we do know is that it supercedes the old.
It has never been retconned, Aegis and Tenebrous is not from the previous Universe.. Even Griffen mentioned it... Anyhow back on topic Galactus should win this fight..
Oops, just checked on it...yeah T&A were apparently not from the previous universe, but were involved in a feud with Galactus at an early point in the current universe. Still, with these new beings in existence, it appears that Galactus' role as the bringer of balance between Eternity and Death is shared.
Re: Galactus vs. Arishem the Judge
Originally posted by the Darkone
Galactusvs.
Arishem the judge
no outside help, Eternity commands them to fight.
Silly thread. Spiderman vs Arishem would only be slightly sillier.
To get an idea of how powerful the celestials are compared to Galactus, we only need to look at how they would have performed against the same foe.
Thor caused terrible pain with a hammer throw and almost killed a normal power galactus with the god-force. Similar attacks against a celestial did not even warrant a response. In fact, Thor knows quite well that Galactus is below the celestials (due to his experience with both) and related this information to juggernaut, just before discovering that even the Cyttorak may be greater than Galactus as the God-force was unable to overcome the power of the cyttorak.
And no, Galactus was not starving. He had just absorbed a planet which is why Thor attacked him with the god-force.
A nearly fully fed Galactus was sent flying through his own ship's hull by Thanos whereas Thanos, like Thor, is simply below a Celestial's notice.
Galactus ran away and cried for help against Ego Prime but Odin caused Ego Prime to fight Thor on earth and then caused it's energies to be removed and channeled into humans turning them into gods. Whats even more telling is that it was because Odin was doing it to kiss Arishem's ass and prove to him that earth has potential for greatness and should not be destroyed.
Stan Lee himself stated that he always intented for Thor to be able to beat Galactus (and Ego) with his own power.
Thats silly...
To get the idea of how silly that is take the Ultimate Nullifier containing the essence of Galactus or something like that. It freakin destroyed the multiverse and then remade it... Or how about when Doom manage to usurp the power of Galactus, he was practicly everything and everywhere.. end scene of the siliness...
Originally posted by aliveinbostonHow about we look at how Galactus didn't give notice to Thor on either of those attacks.
Silly thread. Spiderman vs Arishem would only be slightly sillier.To get an idea of how powerful the celestials are compared to Galactus, we only need to look at how they would have performed against the same foe.
Thor caused terrible pain with a hammer throw and almost killed a normal power galactus with the god-force. Similar attacks against a celestial did not even warrant a response. In fact, Thor knows quite well that Galactus is below the celestials (due to his experience with both) and related this information to juggernaut, just before discovering that even the Cyttorak may be greater than Galactus as the God-force was unable to overcome the power of the cyttorak.
And no, Galactus was not starving. He had just absorbed a planet which is why Thor attacked him with the god-force.A nearly fully fed Galactus was sent flying through his own ship's hull by Thanos whereas Thanos, like Thor, is simply below a Celestial's notice.
Galactus ran away and cried for help against Ego Prime but Odin caused Ego Prime to fight Thor on earth and then caused it's energies to be removed and channeled into humans turning them into gods. Whats even more telling is that it was because Odin was doing it to kiss Arishem's ass and prove to him that earth has potential for greatness and should not be destroyed.
Stan Lee himself stated that he always intented for Thor to be able to beat Galactus (and Ego) with his own power.
Did Thor use the God force on Arishem?
Wait, what am I talking about? Don't you think Odin is way over Galactus, and Odin has unlimited power? Haha.
Just a minute.
Is this a good feat?
Originally posted by bigbran
Here's Inbetweener trying to kill Galactus.(unconcious.)
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He summoned Death, and ordered her around, like a....And, the fight.
Galactus vs Inbetweener
G is mad.1. http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801723endzy0.jpg
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21. http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801823endza2.jpgAll of these scans, courtesy of Ethereal!
