Mace Windu vs Yoda vs Dooku vs Sidious

Started by tdtd9 pages

Yippie, so the drug addicted muppet wins.

Yup

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
True, but you can expect the remaining two to not be in the condition as when they entered the fight. Nonetheless, I'll agree that it is speculation as to whom actually tires out first, and how much energy they will be using.

Yeah, ofcourse they will get tired during the fight. But since we are unable to determine who will get 'more' tired, the whole thing is a moot point.

Why? Because he's superior to all three of them, he'd take out whoever he engaged in combat, hence "one at the least". Saying "Yoda would die first" calls for more of an explanation.

It's not like he'd pwn them all one on one, sure he's the best, tied with Sidious, IMO, but they're all pretty much even. It's not like the difference between Ragnos and ROTJ Luke or anything like your making it out to be.
I've watched it, yet I still don't see how he "fights better" -- all he's doing is just matching the intensity level. He was not gaining strength or energy, he's exerting it.

I didn't mean fight better, I meant he seems to gain energy rather than fatigue.
And neither is Yoda, so why would he die first?

Cause he'd tire out the fastest, don't you agree that of these four he'd be the quickest to fatigue?

Don't know about that, his stamina seems to be at a world class soccer level.

But not as good as Dooku, Mace os Sidious's.

It's not like he'd pwn them all one on one, sure he's the best, tied with Sidious, IMO, but they're all pretty much even. It's not like the difference between Ragnos and ROTJ Luke or anything like your making it out to be.

When did I ever say there was a vast power difference?

Perhaps, through your superior reading skillz, you noticed I said:

"All of these contenders are at the top of the PT era, and are somewhat close (Sidious/Yoda, Dooku/Mace), and will of course have to exert some energy to get the job done against their opponents."

I didn't mean fight better, I meant he seems to gain energy rather than fatigue.

He was matching the intensity level of the fight like I was saying.

Cause he'd tire out the fastest, don't you agree that of these four he'd be the quickest to fatigue?

Never said he wouldn't be.

However, he would be able to take out any one of these three, at the least, before his fatigue would even play a downing factor over him. Like I've been saying for the past posts, whoever faces off against him first will lose.

When did I ever say there was a vast power difference?

Perhaps, through your superior reading skillz, you noticed I said:

"All of these contenders are at the top of the PT era, and are somewhat close (Sidious/Yoda, Dooku/Mace), and will of course have to exert some energy to get the job done against their opponents."


You seem to think that he will definately kill at least one of them despite the fact that he will be the first to fatigue. Since he's only a tiny bit stronger than the weakest of his three opponents it's foolish to say "For sure he will kill AT LEAST one before going down."
However, he would be able to take out any one of these three, at the least, before his fatigue would even play a downing factor over him. Like I've been saying for the past posts, whoever faces off against him first will lose.

Okay, I think we misunderdtand each other. If he faces someone one-on-one first he will win, unless than someone is Sidious, in which case it could go either way. In my scenario all four attack everyone, it doesn't split into 2 one on one duels with the winners fighting.

Actually it wouldn't go either way. If they are on the safe surface it is more than logical to assume that Yoda>Sidious, since Yoda=Sidious with Sidious getting the higher ground.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Like I've been saying for the past posts, whoever faces off against him first will lose.

Like Dooku and Sidious huh?

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Like Dooku and Sidious huh?

Yeah, assuming Dooku doesn't run, or leave, and they are on even ground. Perhaps you didn't notice those factors throughout their fights.

Yoda would tire out before he would get the chance. You seem to think that it would be a simple fight with opponent A and B squaring off and opponent C and D squaring off and the winners of those two fights squaring off. That's not how it would actually work out. It would actually be a very unorthodox fight and the winner would have to be someone who does not fatigue easily and who is intelligent enough to strategise the fight well enough to come out on top.

Actually it wouldn't go either way. If they are on the safe surface it is more than logical to assume that Yoda>Sidious, since Yoda=Sidious with Sidious getting the higher ground.

No, Sidious > Yoda on high ground, which you'd have seen if you had watched ROTS. Sidious uses the high ground to his advantage in their duel and he gained the upper hand for a while. Even on flat ground it's be close as hell, they seemed even in Palpatine's Office.

Yoda would tire out before he would get the chance.

So Yoda can't beat Dooku one on one? He can't beat Mace one on one? He can't beat Sidious one on one? With no terrain advantage, or running?

Seriously, if you're going to make a post, make it one worthwhile, instead of wasting a post with bullshit.

You seem to think that it would be a simple fight with opponent A and B squaring off and opponent C and D squaring off and the winners of those two fights squaring off. That's not how it would actually work out.

How would it work out then? Have you ever seen a Fatal Four-way happen? Thought not. So, you tell me how it would "work out" instead of critizing my thoughts. It's called speculation.

Let's take aIt would actually be a very unorthodox fight and the winner would have to be someone who does not fatigue easily and who is intelligent enough to strategise the fight well enough to come out on top.

Really? Everyone fatigues, especially in this case since they are all close in power. If you read the AOTC script, Dooku was actually getting tired IIRC.

Motoko dude we're just going to have t agree to disagree.

Originally posted by darthsith19
No, Sidious > Yoda on high ground, which you'd have seen if you had watched ROTS. Sidious uses the high ground to his advantage in their duel and he gained the upper hand for a while. Even on flat ground it's be close as hell, they seemed even in Palpatine's Office.

Wrong.. Sidious=Yoda on higher ground. Yoda did indeed disarm Sidious, which is why Sidious got the higher ground. And where does it show him gaining upper hand? The part where he couldn't stop a coming pod, or the part where his lightning was killing him?

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
So Yoda can't beat Dooku one on one? He can't beat Mace one on one? He can't beat Sidious one on one? With no terrain advantage, or running?

Seriously, if you're going to make a post, make it one worthwhile, instead of wasting a post with bullshit.

How would it work out then? Have you ever seen a Fatal Four-way happen? Thought not. So, you tell me how it would "work out" instead of critizing my thoughts. It's called speculation.

Really? Everyone fatigues, especially in this case since they are all close in power. If you read the AOTC script, Dooku was actually getting tired IIRC.

1 on 1, Yoda can beat any of these competitors.. Fatigue or not.

Originally posted by tdtd
1 on 1, Yoda can beat any of these competitors.. Fatigue or not.

I know, that was the whole point of asking.

What does IIRC stand for?

If I recall correctly.