Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ok, back to topic folks.Hokage, you got one ban for flaming already. The next one will be permanent- so please, calm down and stop insulting others.
Right..
Its been established that a fight between Shimrra and Ragnos would be a good one, either ending in a stalemate or Ragnos coming up with a victory. But not a chance in hell do I see Ragnos taking all 3 of these guys. Shimrra can trap Ragnos in a vortex while Kun blasts his amulet at him and Luke shocks him with emerald lightning.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
WTF! Total Fanboyism...
Fact: The Amulet blasts were created by Sadow so it is very logical that the ancient sith have a defense for it.
Fact: Emerald Lightning was only shown to work on the Vong. While I really would like to believe it could instakill force users, there has been no such case..
Fact: DN Luke and Exar Kun are below Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh, who both bowed down to Marka Ragnos and wouldn't dare step up to him while even on his death bed.
Fanboyism? I think not.
Originally posted by tdtd
Fact: The Amulet blasts were created by Sadow so it is very logical that the ancient sith have a defense for it.
Fact: Emerald Lightning was only shown to work on the Vong. While I really would like to believe it could instakill force users, there has been no such case..
Fact: DN Luke and Exar Kun are below Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh, who both bowed down to Marka Ragnos and wouldn't dare step up to him while even on his death bed.Fanboyism? I think not.
Fact: Exar Kun is very powerful in his own respect. Amulet or not. He could contend with Ragnos no problem... Maybe not alone, but with help he shouldent have too big of a problem.
Fact: If Luke could kill a species invisible to the force with lightning that speaks power for his emerald lightning. Plus the Vong were still deaply force sentients, they just altered their DNA, so that they could strip themsleves from the force. I dont see how his lightning cant effect a force user.
So? That is a very even 2v2 fight. Whereas here Ragnos is versing 3 very powerful people at the same time, not to mention what kind of hell Shimrra can unleash.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Fact: Exar Kun is very powerful in his own respect. Amulet or not. He could contend with Ragnos no problem... Maybe not alone, but with help he shouldent have too big of a problem.
Uh what LOL... Wrong.. You can't measure exar Kun without the amulet, because you've never seen him without the amulet. Could contend with Ragnos? Pass what you're smoking. He is inferior to the ancient sith such as Sadow, Kressh, Simus, and maybe Nadd, who are in turn, inferior to Ragnos. If Sadow and Kressh won't stand up to Ragnos what in the world makes you think DN Luke and Kun will?
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Fact: If Luke could kill a species invisible to the force with lightning that speaks power for his emerald lightning. Plus the Vong were still deaply force sentients, they just altered their DNA, so that they could strip themsleves from the force. I dont see how his lightning cant effect a force user.
Nobody is debating the power of his emerald lightning as it is indeed incredible. However, you CANT prove that the lightning can affect a force user, so your point is moot..
Originally posted by tdtd
Uh what LOL... Wrong.. You can't measure exar Kun without the amulet, because you've never seen him without the amulet. Could contend with Ragnos? Pass what you're smoking. He is inferior to the ancient sith such as Sadow, Kressh, Simus, and maybe Nadd, who are in turn, inferior to Ragnos. If Sadow and Kressh won't stand up to Ragnos what in the world makes you think DN Luke and Kun will?Nobody is debating the power of his emerald lightning as it is indeed incredible. However, you CANT prove that the lightning can affect a force user, so your point is moot..
We see Vader bowing to the Emporer, does that mean he is inferior to Sidious? Uh.. no.. He is exactly what 80% of sidious. So he is far from inferior. Bowing is a sign of respect, not nessasarily fear. Plus Sadow was bad mouthing Ragnos a bit, so he is not that fearful of him. Ludo is a wussy. DN Luke and Exar will beat the duo since number 1. They dont work well together and hate each others guts. DN Luke is insane in close combat with a lightsaber. Exar Kun developed a style that nobody knows about. Those two are powerful in their own respect. Not to mention Shimrra is on their side.
How is lightning not going to affect a force user? Its a force move. He uses the force to blast it. It just has so much energy that it was able to K.O. a Vong. That shows a lot about Lukes force power ability.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
We see Vader bowing to the Emporer, does that mean he is inferior to Sidious? Uh.. no.. He is exactly what 80% of sidious. So he is far from inferior. Bowing is a sign of respect, not nessasarily fear. Plus Sadow was bad mouthing Ragnos a bit, so he is not that fearful of him. Ludo is a wussy. DN Luke and Exar will beat the duo since number 1. They dont work well together and hate each others guts. DN Luke is insane in close combat with a lightsaber. Exar Kun developed a style that nobody knows about. Those two are powerful in their own respect. Not to mention Shimrra is on their side.How is lightning not going to affect a force user? Its a force move. He uses the force to blast it. It just has so much energy that it was able to K.O. a Vong. That shows a lot about Lukes force power ability.
Uh, Vader WAS inferior to Sidous, thanks for supporting my argument. Bowing is a sign of respect AND a sign of fear, because this is the SITH we are talking about, you know the ones that kill their masters when they think they are strong enough? Sadow never badmouthed Ragnos, it was known that he disliked him but he feared him enough not to say a damn thing about him. Ludo is a wussy? Nice logic. DN Luke and Exar Kun<Ludo and Naga Sadow, this is a versus fight, semantics don't work here. Exar Kun can develop all he wants, that doesn't mean he can take an ancient sith that would slice him up with a sword, or use the force to throw him to a nearest star. Uh, you don't know lightning is a force move, because it may have been specifically designed to defeat someone void of the force, therefore not making it a force move, or it could have had such incredible energy that it broke through that barrier, but all of this is speculation.
He was fearned enough not to say anything? Well I wonder why. IF he went against Ragnos, it would be Ludo/Ragnos and their supporters against Naga Sadow. And we all know Sadow was planning on becoming the next Dark Lord Of the Sith. That would go against his plans dont you think? Who would he turn to, the republic? I dont think so. Doesnt DE Luke bow to the emporer? Yet he defeats him soon after?
Exar Kun bieng able to develop his own fightning style, that is unknown by everyone will 100% guarantee an advantage over the Ancients.
Slice him up and throw him into a star? Bullshit much?
It is very possible that Luke produced so much energy that it broke through that barrier. His force powers AND force potential are not questionable considering he can move a few blackholes at a time, and create loops in the force. It cant really be called Speculation since we have seen what Luke is capable of doing or creating.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
He was fearned enough not to say anything? Well I wonder why. IF he went against Ragnos, it would be Ludo/Ragnos and their supporters against Naga Sadow. And we all know Sadow was planning on becoming the next Dark Lord Of the Sith. That would go against his plans dont you think? Who would he turn to, the republic? I dont think so. Doesnt DE Luke bow to the emporer? Yet he defeats him soon after?Exar Kun bieng able to develop his own fightning style, that is unknown by everyone will 100% guarantee an advantage over the Ancients.
Slice him up and throw him into a star? Bullshit much?
It is very possible that Luke produced so much energy that it broke through that barrier. His force powers AND force potential are not questionable considering he can move a few blackholes at a time, and create loops in the force. It cant really be called Speculation since we have seen what Luke is capable of doing or creating.
First of all, if you read about Ragnos, you'd see that he was HATED because he was a half breed which the Sith considered an abomination, which speaks volumes for his power of being hated and respected, so you have no point. Sadow was planning on becoming the next DLOTS but in the sith idealogy, Sadow would challenge Ragnos when he felt he was strong enough, and it was obvously neither Sadow nor KRessh could compare to Ragnos even on his death bed.. DE Luke bowed to the Emperor, what's your point? DE Sidious>DE Luke.
I can't belive I'm saying this, but, agreeing with tdtd's point, Darth Bane's "Rule of Two", wasn't established until thousands of years later. One of the main reasons was so that there would only be TWO with power, one to have it the other to crave it, so more than one couldn't team up and kill the master, as shown in KOTOR II. Ragnos had to of had power of incredible magnatude, seeing as neither Sadow nor Kressh belived thay could defeat him. Rest assured, if teaming up was what it took to defeat Ragnos, they would have done it. However they didn't.
Originally posted by Xepeyon
I can't belive I'm saying this, but, agreeing with tdtd's point, Darth Bane's "Rule of Two", wasn't established until thousands of years later. One of the main reasons was so that there would only be TWO with power, one to have it the other to crave it, so more than one couldn't team up and kill the master, as shown in KOTOR II. Ragnos had to of had power of incredible magnatude, seeing as neither Sadow nor Kressh belived thay could defeat him. Rest assured, if teaming up was what it took to defeat Ragnos, they would have done it. However they didn't.
They would never team up. They hated each other. And Kressh seemed to respect Ragnos.